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Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:34 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:34 pm to Stonehog
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If you look up a few posts I think what you're talking about is the Dance Card. It only predicts at large teams, and right now it has us on the wrong side of the bubble. However, it doesn't take into account teams ahead of us that will win their conference tournaments. If we are 5 spots below the burst line, but five teams ahead of us win their conference tourneys, we would be in.
I figured I was being lazy
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:39 pm to Stonehog
dance card has g'town in and smu out. wtf
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:46 pm to rockytop627
It changes every day, that's one of the reasons it's so accurate. They update it all the way until the actual announcement on selection Sunday.
Now, if they locked their predictions a week out and didn't update, that would be impressive.
Now, if they locked their predictions a week out and didn't update, that would be impressive.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:04 pm to Stonehog
Thanks for the links. I've had the bad feeling since the Alabama loss that we are in the outside. Based on my Wave Hog Gut Feeling Meter, we have a 30% chance of getting in. Less than even odds right now, def need two SECT wins to get above 50.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:11 pm to WaveHog
Arkansas has what several other bubble teams do not, wins over tourney teams.
Take the home wins of SMU, and Kentucky.
Add in the road win at Kentucky.
Neutral site win against Minnesota.
BYU's best win is @stanford who is on the bubble, for example. Not many of these bubble teams have a road/neutral site record as good as 5-8 at this point.
Take the home wins of SMU, and Kentucky.
Add in the road win at Kentucky.
Neutral site win against Minnesota.
BYU's best win is @stanford who is on the bubble, for example. Not many of these bubble teams have a road/neutral site record as good as 5-8 at this point.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:21 pm to DaleDenton
Updated Lunardi
LAST 4 BYES
Stanford
Nebraska
Xavier
Tennessee
LAST 4 IN
BYU
St. Joe's
Dayton
Arkansas
FIRST 4 OUT
Cal
Minnesota
St. John's
Providence
NEXT 4 OUT
Southern Miss
Florida St.
Missouri
Georgetown
LAST 4 BYES
Stanford
Nebraska
Xavier
Tennessee
LAST 4 IN
BYU
St. Joe's
Dayton
Arkansas
FIRST 4 OUT
Cal
Minnesota
St. John's
Providence
NEXT 4 OUT
Southern Miss
Florida St.
Missouri
Georgetown
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:23 pm to volfan30
St. Joe's lost to a .500 team at home over the weekend, moves into the tourney.
Arkansas loses @ Bama who has a winning home record drops damn near out of the tourney.
Makes sense Lunardi, anything to avoid eating crow over St. Joes suckage and Arkansas not needing to win the SECT to make the tourney...
Arkansas loses @ Bama who has a winning home record drops damn near out of the tourney.
Makes sense Lunardi, anything to avoid eating crow over St. Joes suckage and Arkansas not needing to win the SECT to make the tourney...
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:26 pm to DaleDenton
Pretty sure he had St. Joe's safely in before their loss. They dropped on to the bubble
Lunardi is a St. Joe's employee though.
Lunardi is a St. Joe's employee though.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:30 pm to volfan30
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Pretty sure he had St. Joe's safely in before their loss. They dropped on to the bubble
Lunardi is a St. Joe's employee though.
He moved them to the first four out when Arkansas beat Kentucky (IIRC).
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:32 pm to DaleDenton
I feel like people are putting too much stock in the RPI also. BYU has four bad losses, we only have two, but their RPI is higher than ours so people automatically think they're a lock and we're on the bubble.
Only reason their RPI is so high is because they lost to a lot of good teams away from home. I don't think that will be enough to keep them in.
Only reason their RPI is so high is because they lost to a lot of good teams away from home. I don't think that will be enough to keep them in.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:34 pm to DaleDenton
Feb. 20: 11 seed (Last 4 In)
Feb. 24 11 seed
Feb. 27: 10 seed
Mar. 3: 10 seed
Mar. 6: 11 seed
Mar. 10: 11 seed (Last 4 In)
Today: 11 seed (Last 4 In)
You may have been thinking of St. John's.
Feb. 24 11 seed
Feb. 27: 10 seed
Mar. 3: 10 seed
Mar. 6: 11 seed
Mar. 10: 11 seed (Last 4 In)
Today: 11 seed (Last 4 In)
You may have been thinking of St. John's.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:36 pm to Stonehog
The last few years committee chairs have seemingly put the most weight on SOS when it comes to similar teams. BYU's SOS is what will get them in imo.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:39 pm to volfan30
The SOS is funny when you look at a team with a high SOS rank who has played less top100 competition than a team ranked 60 spots behind them in SOS rank.
Mid-Major schedule manipulation at its best, but give them credit to figuring out how to manipulate the numbers, I guess.
Mid-Major schedule manipulation at its best, but give them credit to figuring out how to manipulate the numbers, I guess.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:44 pm to DaleDenton
It is definitely a science. Tennessee was probably the best in the country at manipulating it under Pearl. Pearl's last season we finished 19-14 with some awful losses and we were comfortably in.
Cuonzo played way too many 200+ RPI teams the first two years which crushes your SOS and hurt our at large chances. Finally figured it out this year.
It is actually better to play a D2 team than a bad D1 team because of how it affects the SOS. Cuonzo bought out Kennesaw St. in favor of a D2 school this year. Our beat writer said that playing Kennesaw would have moved our SOS from 24 to 33.
Cuonzo played way too many 200+ RPI teams the first two years which crushes your SOS and hurt our at large chances. Finally figured it out this year.
It is actually better to play a D2 team than a bad D1 team because of how it affects the SOS. Cuonzo bought out Kennesaw St. in favor of a D2 school this year. Our beat writer said that playing Kennesaw would have moved our SOS from 24 to 33.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:06 pm to volfan30
Boise played multiple D2 schools the past two years.
Outside of Chaminade in the Maui Inv. a team should not be "rewarded" for scheduling these teams.
The problem for power conference schools is the decent mid-majors want home and homes, that is fine on the face of it, but these teams can schedule other power conference schools for the same deal.
Power conference schools have to have a certain amount of home games for revenue purposes, the mid-majors are teaming up playing each other and a couple power schools each each year manipulating the RPI and SOS.
A power conference school is going to have to foot the bill to play a mid-major, either by paying them to play or by covering the expenses to play at their place.
Its a nice little racket they have going on that needs the RPI to be adjusted to account for, whether that is the RPI only considering teams played who have an RPI of 150 or better with it weighted for the amount of teams played meeting this criteria or in some other fashion.
Outside of Chaminade in the Maui Inv. a team should not be "rewarded" for scheduling these teams.
The problem for power conference schools is the decent mid-majors want home and homes, that is fine on the face of it, but these teams can schedule other power conference schools for the same deal.
Power conference schools have to have a certain amount of home games for revenue purposes, the mid-majors are teaming up playing each other and a couple power schools each each year manipulating the RPI and SOS.
A power conference school is going to have to foot the bill to play a mid-major, either by paying them to play or by covering the expenses to play at their place.
Its a nice little racket they have going on that needs the RPI to be adjusted to account for, whether that is the RPI only considering teams played who have an RPI of 150 or better with it weighted for the amount of teams played meeting this criteria or in some other fashion.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:05 pm to DaleDenton
Not really much going on tonight as far as the bubble is concerned. Oregon plays Oregon St. @ 8:00 in Vegas. Georgetown takes on DePaul. Stanford against Wash. St.
1 ticket will be punched as American U and Boston U play for the Patriot League Championship. American wins Boston goes to the NIT, Boston wins, American can hope for the CIT.
1 ticket will be punched as American U and Boston U play for the Patriot League Championship. American wins Boston goes to the NIT, Boston wins, American can hope for the CIT.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:20 pm to sugatowng
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As of yesterday, he had UT and Arky SOL
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:18 pm to opdogg20
It looks like Lunardi moved Tennessee in, BYU to the last 4 in, Arkansas in a 12 seed bye with BYU and Dayton below them.
FWIW.
Of course, St. Joe's is inching closer to being a tourney lock while not doing anything...
FWIW.
Of course, St. Joe's is inching closer to being a tourney lock while not doing anything...
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:28 pm to DaleDenton
If Dayton loses their conference tourney game tomorrow, they are out. If St. Joe's loses their first tourney game, they are out. Only 1 of those will make it. Dayton needs to win 2, St. Joe's needs to win 1, IMO. Similiar to the Arky/Tenn situation.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:33 pm to opdogg20
Yes. Plenty of tournaments will have "play in/out" games tomorrow.
3/12 update
No 1. seeds to lose in conference Tourney (NIT auto qualifiers)
Vermont - American East
Atlantic Sun- Florida Gulf Coast
Big South - High Point
Horizon - Green Bay
MAAC - Iona
NEC - Robert Morris
OVC - Belmont
Southern - Davidson
Boston U - Patriot
In the tourney:
Harvard - Ivy
Eastern Kentucky - OVC
Coastal Carolina - Big South
Mercer - Atlantic Sun
Wichita St. - MVC
Delaware - CAA
Manhattan - MAAC
Wofford - Southern
Mount St. Mary's - NEC
Milwaukee - Horizon
North Dakota St. - Summit League
Gonzaga - WCC
American U - Patriot
3/12 update
No 1. seeds to lose in conference Tourney (NIT auto qualifiers)
Vermont - American East
Atlantic Sun- Florida Gulf Coast
Big South - High Point
Horizon - Green Bay
MAAC - Iona
NEC - Robert Morris
OVC - Belmont
Southern - Davidson
Boston U - Patriot
In the tourney:
Harvard - Ivy
Eastern Kentucky - OVC
Coastal Carolina - Big South
Mercer - Atlantic Sun
Wichita St. - MVC
Delaware - CAA
Manhattan - MAAC
Wofford - Southern
Mount St. Mary's - NEC
Milwaukee - Horizon
North Dakota St. - Summit League
Gonzaga - WCC
American U - Patriot
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