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Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:28 pm to Dallaswho
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:28 pm to Dallaswho
Texas and Ohio State currently have the strongest NIL numbers, by far.
Arkansas has an elite NIL basketball game, and LSU is in their own class in NIL baseball.
Arkansas has an elite NIL basketball game, and LSU is in their own class in NIL baseball.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:44 pm to Hugh McElroy
See but a lot of that is just purely pay for play. And I’m not saying it doesn’t happen everywhere to an extent but it is possible to have a legit NIL program and even to enhance recruiting using it.
The way you entice with NIL without promising NIL is by having a proven, high profile NIL program. Jayden Daniels already had some pretty good deals even before he hit the big time along with many of his teammates. LSU women’s programs have some of the highest earners in the country.
And it doesn’t stop once they go pro. Two former LSU WR’s are appearing right now in a national commercial, together. And it doesn’t even stop once they retire. A former LSU basketball player is right up there with the all time biggest athletic endorsers in the world.
That’s how you recruit using NIL.
The way you entice with NIL without promising NIL is by having a proven, high profile NIL program. Jayden Daniels already had some pretty good deals even before he hit the big time along with many of his teammates. LSU women’s programs have some of the highest earners in the country.
And it doesn’t stop once they go pro. Two former LSU WR’s are appearing right now in a national commercial, together. And it doesn’t even stop once they retire. A former LSU basketball player is right up there with the all time biggest athletic endorsers in the world.
That’s how you recruit using NIL.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:19 pm to OleVaught14
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and Bama cheated
What do you mean ? Their entire team worked hard for those free range rovers , chargers and cameros !
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:40 pm to OleVaught14
EVERY school cheats
One way or another. Some are just Better at it lol.
One way or another. Some are just Better at it lol.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:11 am to ColoradoAg
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Texas is paying more than anyone by a hefty margin. But they are “protected”
Texas has been waiting for the day they could pay players legally like all the little brothers have been doing illegally for years (sniff, cough A&M, OU, etc) . Now you get to see who your Daddy really is and you don't like it..
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:43 am to AZHorn
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Texas has been waiting for the day they could pay players legally like all the little brothers have been doing illegally for years (sniff, cough A&M, OU, etc) . Now you get to see who your Daddy really is and you don't like it..
What a lazy (somewhat expected) response… never change, simp.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 4:31 am to AZHorn
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Texas has been waiting for the day they could pay players legally like all the little brothers have been doing illegally for years (sniff, cough A&M, OU, etc) .
Unfortunately... As much as the noble Texas program tried to keep their players from being paid... Guys like Tony Degrate and Chris Simms said that they got paid.
But I'm sure they were the only two.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 5:30 am to MOJO_ERASER
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Teams like UGA and Bama will pay some but not going to fork out like the lower schools who are desperate.
Bama hasn’t been playing by the rules for a long time. They have been laying kids for years. There have been recent Alabama players to admit they got paid to go to the school, prior to NIL. So yea, that seems pretty desperate to keep the Competive edge.
Now the NIL made it harder in teams like Bama to stock talent on the each for years without playing them. It’s obvious that Bama hasn’t been the same team the last 3 years of NIL compared to the 5 years prior to NIL. The landscape became to much of a grind and it forced Saban into retirement, he said himself that the game and this year was to much of a grind now and he can’t coach the way he wants to without it taking its toll mentally and physically on him.
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Set back and play by the rules and maybe try and retain your own players.
Like Ohio State? It’s being reported they are in for $13+ million right now just to retain there team, and add only 6 portal guys. You can be desperate and be a big program also and just to retain your team is going to cost.
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Tenn had got a top collective at almost 20 mil a season
Tennessee goal with Spire sports is $25 million a year revenue. Right now Tennessee has the #1 collective in the country according to On3 and 247sports. The thing you’re not realizing, Tennessee is also a top 10 school historically and actually #10 in all time win %. Even though they have been down from 2007-2022 basically, they are still considered a Big time schools with the facilities and resources alone without adding NIL. Adding NIL has helped Hueple turn the roster over littler easier and to dig out of the shite he entered into. Tennessee isn’t approaching the portal like Ole Miss, and Colorado. Yes they looking for good players, but they also are truly look for fit, and a kid that has multiple years left. Most of the kids got in the Portal this, has 2-3+ years. He’s not looking for the “best” player for 1 year. He is using the portal to develop and build a team he can win with if the portal rules changed tomorrow. Some of these teams would be stuck, if they done an overall of the protal, and put limits on how many you could sign per year.
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Cheat using collectives
I like how you worded playing by the rules “legally. It’s not going to get better. In fact it’s getting worse as we speak. The NCAA is currently considering letting the athletic departments and schools directly pay the players. When that happens these Collectices will have an office inside the facilities and then it will be who truly has the most money. Imagine a university being able to broker the deals themselves. You have schools like Vandy that has more money than every university in the SEC. Once you start letting schools pay players directly you will have schools with endowments of $900million+ making deals and then the sky will be the limit and small schools will truly be out of the running then. Some athletics departments make more money a year than some universities do as a whole.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 5:34 am to mudshuvl05
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when a player gets in the portal and has a landing spot in less than 24 hours, he's been tampered with. by the book, tampering is cheating and against the rules
But how you gonna prove it? Players are allowed to talk to other players from other teams. Also there is nothing stopping the players from calling around. Only got restrictions on coaches doing it.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:13 am to Gunga Din
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Unfortunately... As much as the noble Texas program tried to keep their players from being paid... Guys like Tony Degrate and Chris Simms said that they got paid.
But I'm sure they were the only two.
I'm sure Texas players have been paid in the past, maybe it is all of them. The difference, from what I can tell, still happens today to a certain extent.
Texas (Sark) will not go after a player who is only about the NIL. The Evan Stewart's, Walter Nolen's, etc. You rarely see Texas sign kids like this..
Quin Ewers is different. He grew up loving Texas and he originally committed to Texas. Then Herman did something (not sure he did) that pissed him off and so he decided to take the money from Ohio State (perhaps this part was about money). Either way, he wanted to be at Texas. I have seen some stupid numbers thrown out there for him, and maybe I am wrong and he chased the money, but even if that is true, he isn't only about the money. But this is just my opinion, and others will argue I am wrong.
At the end of the day, 95%+ of what anyone posts here is pure speculation. My team does ____ better than your team. Blah blah blah. Texas pays players. We all pay players. Some schools are still offering bags of cash, and maybe Texas is too, but I haven't heard anyone say that. To my knowledge, there really isn't a need to offer a bag these days..
All that being said, I do believe it needs to be regulated, but then we will just have more teams offering bags, and then we will be back at where we started. Oh wait, that could be a good thing. My bad, carry on.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:46 am to TeLeFaWx
quote:with or without the rules OU is already relevant …. I don’t know who fricked your wife but don’t take it out on OU fans …. OU has a good collective …. Just not forking out 20 nil a season for players … most athletic departments have compliance people who have to answer for where the money goes and how …. It’s not as simple as some of you like to think it is and there are receipts for every payments . The rules are there just not everyone is following them and so far everyone who is paying for players outright has been shitty at best. Miami A@M UF supposedly payed out the most early on and have been horrible . Tenn hasn’t done anything wrong to show so far for the money spent .
OU will never be relevant in the world of NIL. And even if there are rules in place they won’t be relevant.
I also find it funny how everyone think there school is paying this or that but in reality I havent seen a legit deal posted on on3 that shows how much someone is making per deal …. It just shows an estimate … hell they have Malachi Nelson for misc making 800k at Boise state …. Do you think for one second that’s accurate ?
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:54 am to MOJO_ERASER
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Cheat using collectives... which are used for recruiting players illegally
You sound salty that everyone else can now do what OU has been doing for years.
It will ruin the corrupt OU operation model. Poor OU. Cry me a river.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:03 pm to MOJO_ERASER
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most athletic departments have compliance people who have to answer for where the money goes and how …. It’s not as simple as some of you like to think it is and there are receipts for every payments . The rules are there just not everyone is following them and so far everyone who is paying for players outright has been shitty at best.
First, clown, NIL is not part of the AD budget. NIL collectives do not report to AD compliance department on how they chose to spend the money.
Second, just more butt hurt from OU fans that other schools are now doing what OU had always done before.. pay for players. You just don’t like that the playing field has been leveled. OU has one of the dirtiest most penalized football programs. And you lost that edge.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:12 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:Players are free to call the coaching staff of other schools to see if there's a possible landing spot, that isn't tampering. Each school also has someone assigned to monitor portal entries and notify coaches of interesting names. Any coveted player is going to have multiple options for landing spots within 24 hours of hopping in the portal. Also not tampering.
when a player gets in the portal and has a landing spot in less than 24 hours, he's been tampered with. by the book, tampering is cheating and against the rules.
the problem isn't NIL, the problem is the transfer portal and no penalty transfers.
if a coach leaves, sure let them transfer with no repercussions, but other than that, get rid of the shite.
Of course if there's proof of coaches from other programs sniffing around players who haven't submitted their names..that's tampering, but hard to prove without a warrant to search a players phone.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:35 pm to MOJO_ERASER
Hilarious.
An oU twat whining about teams "cheating" when oU built their entire program on actual, real cheating.
Switzer brags about it.
Self-aware much? FFS
An oU twat whining about teams "cheating" when oU built their entire program on actual, real cheating.
Switzer brags about it.
Self-aware much? FFS
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:06 pm to BigBro
Ewers' NIL is better than a lot of rookies in the NFL.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:31 pm to MOJO_ERASER
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play by the rules
What rules?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:36 pm to Dallaswho
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Exactly. Everything I have seen shows Texas being the highest paying school by several million dollars per year. Just being on their 3 deep automatically puts a player over the national average pay.
They were until Ohio State watched UM win a championship and went off the deep end trying to compensate.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 3:24 pm to RT58
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EVERY school cheats
One way or another. Some are just Better at it lol.
not anymore.
Enjoy your time in the desert.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:47 am to TeLeFaWx
Fawx, I gotta tell ya, you were right.
Jimbo never had a losing record to LSU.
Hope that was worth the buyout
Jimbo never had a losing record to LSU.
Hope that was worth the buyout
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