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Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:33 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:33 am to fibonaccisquared
Ah, I remember that name. Thank you. 
This has been a great thread. Very entertaining.
This has been a great thread. Very entertaining.
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:57 am to dawgdayafternoon
BTW... Ed eats Gravel for Breakfast
Posted on 10/10/17 at 7:28 am to fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 7:39 am to fibonaccisquared
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When did *I* say that Fournette choked? I said that he was a shell of himself in the important games... That seems pretty accurate as I look back at his numbers by games you just listed...
You've set the criteria of what is considered adequate for Chubb. Is Fournette not measure against the same expectations? If so, why is that?
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If you want to downgrade Chubb based on coming back sooner than anyone expected from what could have been a career ending injury, go for it... I'm not sure you'll get much argument on the *numbers* in 2016 though you will fairly receive criticism for attempting to compare a player that wasn't back to 100% from the injury yet
I'm not downgrading Chubb at all. Again, you've set the criteria for what is a good game, and that was in 2017. The knee injury should not be a factor, at this point.
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Just to recap and make sure that everyone is on the same page with you here, you'd like to use what games of Chubb's to prove a point? The ones prior to the injury? The ones during 2016 coming off of a devastating knee injury and while dealing with a lingering ankle injury?
For the last time I'm going to use the Notre Dame game from 2017 as a measure since Chubb's numbers in that game were good enough for you. Neither the knee nor the ankle were a factor at this point.
So, you can either list Fournette's games or continue to dance around the question. It's up to you.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:00 am to RB10
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Texas Tech both won 8 games
This is thick. That was one of the worst run defenses I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:04 am to Dawgsontop34
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This is thick. That was one of the worst run defenses I’ve ever seen.
He gave Chubb credit for "showing out" over 11 win North Carolina. They were actually 8 win North Carolina and had the 109th ranked rush defense.
You are correct though, Texas Tech was bad.
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:07 am to RB10
Yeah, that NC defense was poor. I just remember watching teams run all over Tech to end the season. Legitimately one of the worst run defenses I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:09 am to Dawgsontop34
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Yeah, that NC defense was poor. I just remember watching teams run all over Tech to end the season. Legitimately one of the worst run defenses I’ve ever seen.
Eastern Michigan was worse. Their defensive linemen were smaller than most SEC linebackers. LSU played them earlier in the year.
You will never see me say that Fournette didn't face an incredibly easy schedule in 2015, because he did.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:41 am to RB10
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You've set the criteria of what is considered adequate for Chubb. Is Fournette not measure against the same expectations? If so, why is that?
There's a difference between saying that Chubb had a "good game" by the numbers and stating that he was a non-factor... I'm not sure why you want to make more out of the comment "I disagree with your definition of non-factor" than there is to be made... On the upside, you're giving the people a show...
If we're going to use a single game as a sample size for Chubb, then I see no reason why you need more than the 2 Alabama games and the UF game previously mentioned to reference against... Those were easily the biggest games on your schedule. As I've said previously, UGA's biggest and most important games are ahead of us still...
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:43 am to fibonaccisquared
Are you going to continue to avoid answering?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:57 am to RB10
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Are you going to continue to avoid answering?
I'm sorry, is 3 games not sufficient to compare to one? I mean sample size bias is fun isn't it? GTFO here with your weak fricking troll attempts. You've been put in your place, now you can go sit in the corner and think about what you've done...
God forbid you answer anyone else's questions. Texags may have had some win totals wrong, but he did offer up some common opponents to the discussion either in this thread or the other one... your schtick is tired and everyone not wearing geauxld and purple colored glasses sees through it.
If you want to try and have an adult conversation about it, talk to me at least after the UF game.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:01 am to fibonaccisquared
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I'm sorry, is 3 games not sufficient to compare to one? I mean sample size bias is fun isn't it? GTFO here with your weak fricking troll attempts. You've been put in your place, now you can go sit in the corner and think about what you've done...
So it's only 3 games that he was a shell of himself in, and only one in 2015?
You must agree that Chubb was a shell of himself for the entire 2016 season and in the Notre Dame game of 2017, correct?
The first half of 2016 is understandable the with knee injury. The 2nd half is less understandable with an ankle considering Guice is being shite on for the exact same limitation.
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God forbid you answer anyone else's questions. Texags may have had some win totals wrong, but he did offer up some common opponents to the discussion either in this thread or the other one... your schtick is tired and everyone not wearing geauxld and purple colored glasses sees through it.
I've addressed every point brought up to me and even admitted that Chubb is better by the numbers.
What more would you like to see?
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If you want to try and have an adult conversation about it, talk to me at least after the UF game.
Hard to have an "adult" conversation with someone who avoids addressing counter arguments and just attacks me personally.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:04 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:05 am to deeprig9
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How many NFL teams could Guice start for right now?
Guice is playing hurt like the man he is, you ignoramous.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:18 am to Dawgsontop34
Jeremy Hill, Leonard Fournette, Steven Ridley, Alfred Blue...... Oh yeah and some guy named Billy Cannon. Never heard of him though
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:52 am to RB10
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So it's only 3 games that he was a shell of himself in, and only one in 2015?
If you're electing to run with a one game sample size for Chubb, then sure, it's a sufficient enough comparison to get started. Worst game to worst game would really be enough... Are you claiming there is a more important game on your schedule every year than Alabama? Notre Dame *isn't* even the third most important game on our schedule... would probably be UF, AU, UT from an SEC importance standpoint (probably in that order for 2017). Historical/rivalry importance would be UF, AU, GT in no particular order...
It is currently the best quality win though, since apparently all teams in the SEC outside of the states of Georgia and Alabama have decided this would be a good year to shite the bed.
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You must agree that Chubb was a shell of himself for the entire 2016 season and in the Notre Dame game of 2017, correct?
I've said as much about 2016, even after what "looked" like a big game against UNC, I noticed that it didn't look like he had the same burst... playing behind an awful line certainly didn't do him any favors, but yeah 2016 was not a great year for him but he battled through it and decided to come back. Fortunately, it looks like in 2017 he's back closer to his old self. I'm not sure yet if he has quite the same top end speed, but at least the cuts and the power appear to be back at the very least.
As to shell of himself in the Notre Dame game, no... I think he was still impactful on the game but obviously not his best statistical performance either. It also didn't look like he was the focal point of our offense and that we perhaps game planned or adjusted to ND keying on Chubb. He accounted for 17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards... it's almost like when you touch the ball a lot, your stats go up, and when you touch it less often, they go up less.
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The 2nd half is less understandable with an ankle considering Guice is being shite on for the exact same limitation.
Your inability to either understand or acknowledge *why* this is happening is probably the most entertaining aspect of this thread... it's like the kid who throws shite at people and picks a fight then cries that people are picking on him because he gets punched in the nose... *You* personally may not have started a thread comparing LF7 to Chubb or Guice to Chubb... but LSU fans did... not once or twice, but repeatedly by many posters... as rigs has mentioned... at some point it comes time to pay the piper. It was a comical meme/trope then, just like it's a comical meme/trope now.
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admitted that Chubb is better by the numbers
What are we defining as admitting that Chubb is better by the numbers? Chubb is better than what by what numbers? If it's in this thread, just the page # is fine.
I've got no problems saying that Fournette's 2015 rushing statistics were the most impressive over a complete season that I've seen from an SEC running back in modern history. It certainly seemed like his YPC tailed off a bit toward the end of the season, not dramatically, but noticeably prior to facing Texas Tech. But he ended up offsetting that with a nice uptick in receiving yards at the same time in some of those late season losses where rushing yards were harder to come by. I've never argued anything contrary.
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Hard to have an "adult" conversation with someone who avoids addressing counter arguments and just attacks me personally.
avoids addressing counter arguments = disagrees with the manner in which you're attempting to make a comparison and explains why... seems logical and very adult of you...
just attacks me personally ... yep... that's all I've done. Ever. Not once in this thread have I provided a comment of substance that refutes the many garbage points that have been attempted in this thread.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:58 am to MistaMike9
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Jeremy Hill, Leonard Fournette, Steven Ridley, Alfred Blue...... Oh yeah and some guy named Billy Cannon. Never heard of him though
Yes. They were/are very good NFL players. I never said they weren’t. You just said all Georgia RBs suck when they get to the NFL. That is clearly an idiotic statement.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:18 am to MistaMike9
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Too bad when they get to the NFL they are complete shite
There it is. The dumbest thing I will read all day. Thanks for getting it out of the way early
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:23 am to fibonaccisquared
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If you're electing to run with a one game sample size for Chubb
You set this standard by saying his game against ND was not a poor one. I was just going to take your criteria and apply it to Fournette for the games he was a "shell of himself", in your opinion. In this regard, a one game sample is all that is needed.
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As to shell of himself in the Notre Dame game, no... I think he was still impactful on the game but obviously not his best statistical performance either. It also didn't look like he was the focal point of our offense and that we perhaps game planned or adjusted to ND keying on Chubb. He accounted for 17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards... it's almost like when you touch the ball a lot, your stats go up, and when you touch it less often, they go up less.
Which games was Fournette a "shell of himself" then? Only 2015 Alabama? By the measure you're giving Chubb you can't include Arkansas, Ole Miss or Texas AM from that year. He, at minimum, matched what Chubb did against Notre Dame this year in each of those games.
Do keep in mind we probably shouldn't include 2016 for either of them since we've agreed that neither Fournette nor Chubb were playing at 100% in that season.
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Your inability to either understand or acknowledge *why* this is happening is probably the most entertaining aspect of this thread... it's like the kid who throws shite at people and picks a fight then cries that people are picking on him because he gets punched in the nose... *You* personally may not have started a thread comparing LF7 to Chubb or Guice to Chubb... but LSU fans did... not once or twice, but repeatedly by many posters... as rigs has mentioned... at some point it comes time to pay the piper. It was a comical meme/trope then, just like it's a comical meme/trope now.
So, you think I don't under why it's happening from the trolls? Trust me, I do.
What I don't understand is why it's happening from someone who tries to pretend like they're objective. I can say I don't understand that in the least.
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What are we defining as admitting that Chubb is better by the numbers? Chubb is better than what by what numbers? If it's in this thread, just the page # is fine.
Chubb's career has been better by the numbers laid out in this thread. You can look back through it if you missed it. It's not hard to find.
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just attacks me personally ... yep... that's all I've done. Ever. Not once in this thread have I provided a comment of substance that refutes the many garbage points that have been attempted in this thread.
Dude, you entered this discussion by attacking me for posting Jalen Hurts rather than Jalen Hurd, and for believing what Leonard Fournette said over the narrative that has been created on the SECR.
You've then proceeded to nitpick at my posts rather than address what I'm trying to discuss, which is your own criteria for what constitutes a good game for Chubb vs. what you think a good game is for Fournette. Rather than list the games you believe Fournette under-performed so that they can be compared to your minimum requirements that Chubb must meet for a good game (17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards. 74 total yards and no TDs), you continue to dance around the question.
I can't help but wonder why that is?
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:00 am to RB10
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You set this standard by saying his game against ND was not a poor one
You said he was a non-factor. I disagreed... it's not as though there isn't a world of grey in between those things... Not my job to help you understand that.
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Which games was Fournette a "shell of himself" then? Only 2015 Alabama? By the measure you're giving Chubb you can't include Arkansas, Ole Miss or Texas AM from that year. He, at minimum, matched what Chubb did against Notre Dame this year in each of those games.
You're electing to take Chubb's current worst performance and would like to discount Fournette's... If you want to compare Chubb's second worst performance to Fournette's and so on and so forth, by all means... selecting the biggest outlier and then comparing it to something that is less so seems intentionally obtuse. What you're essentially admitting is that Chubb's floor in 2017 is higher than Fournette's was up to this point with that argument. If you agree with that, then there is no need to "evaluate" further.
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What I don't understand is why it's happening from someone who tries to pretend like they're objective. I can say I don't understand that in the least.
Have I "shite on Guice" in this thread? To my knowledge I haven't attempted to do so. Did I take the opportunity to give you a little shite as you were so apt to do to others in the thread? Abso-fricking-lutely...
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Dude, you entered this discussion by attacking me for posting Jalen Hurts rather than Jalen Hurd, and for believing what Leonard Fournette said over the narrative that has been created on the SECR.
So pointing out a mistake and giving you a hard time for the irony of you expecting people to use common sense and extrapolate *while* you then told another poster that we should not extrapolate to make a point was attacking? It was humorous... sorry you didn't see it that way.
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believing what Leonard Fournette said
What Leonard Fournette said once the season had passed vs what was said at the time of the announcement that he wouldn't play? The narrative clearly shifted a couple of months later. If he couldn't go, he couldn't go, but it sure seems like they could have saved a ton of face if they just said he wasn't going to be medically cleared to play in the bowl game. If that was the official announcement, it certainly wasn't made very clear prior to the bowl game from what I had seen...
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address what I'm trying to discuss... you continue to dance around the question
See above... If you want we can use Fournette's floor and compare Chubb's games, in which case he's never had a bad game where he wasn't injured... I too can play facetious games where I attempt to prove something with stats. How about we wait until the season plays out and we'll actually be able to see how Chubb performs in critical games.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:04 am to fibonaccisquared
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See above... If you want we can use Fournette's floor and compare Chubb's games, in which case he's never had a bad game where he wasn't injured... I too can play facetious games where I attempt to prove something with stats. How about we wait until the season plays out and we'll actually be able to see how Chubb performs in critical games.
Ok so for the last time....I'm trying to determine what games Fournette was a shell of himself, in your opinion.
So far, it seems that the only game this applies to is 2015 Bama. Is that accurate then?
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