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Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:33 pm to sarc
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:33 pm to sarc
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Ahhhh. There was talk of this contract unique to prep schools in the thread on the SEC Recruiting board. I asked everyone who mentioned it to provide some evidence of its existence. Maybe you can come thru where they failed.
He signed a conference agreement once his LOI was void after he didn't qualify.
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:35 pm to sarc
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Ahhhh. There was talk of this contract unique to prep schools in the thread on the SEC Recruiting board. I asked everyone who mentioned it to provide some evidence of its existence. Maybe you can come thru where they failed.
That is some looney shite, there.
The Clarion Ledger article actually makes this quite clear.
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A university-specific financial aid agreement, which is what high school early-enrollees sign, only ties the school to the player but not vice-versa. Dannon Cavil signed such a deal with Ole Miss earlier this month, only to turn around and flip to Cal (signing another agreement with the Pac-12 school in the process).
Only postgraduate players can sign SEC financial aid agreements.
That's why this isn't common. Only a prospect who has already graduated from high school can be bound to the school by signing the SEC level financial aid agreement.
Has absolutely zero to do with him being at a "prep school". Has everything to do with him not being in high school any more.
Per Hargrave's own wiki:
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The school serves boys from around the world from grades seven to twelve and has a post-graduate (PG) program, through which high school graduates can improve their athletic abilities, grades, and SAT scores in preparation for college.
Post graduate.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:36 pm to HottyToddy7
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He signed a conference agreement once his LOI was void after he didn't qualify.
Right.
A conference agreement that postgraduate players can sign and that binds them to that school and makes them off limit to all other SEC schools.
Per the Clarion Ledger.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:39 pm to BrerTiger
And the AJC article states:
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There are three things commonly signed by prospective student-athletes headed to the SEC: A national letter of intent (which binds the PSA to a specific institution), a financial aid agreement with the specific institution (which binds the college to the PSA) and an SEC financial aid agreement (which is essentially a gentlemen’s agreement among conference schools).
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It is common for high school seniors to sign all three documents each February.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:41 pm to sarc
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SEC financial aid agreement (which is essentially a gentlemen’s agreement among conference schools).
This binded him to Alabama, which he did not understand. Ole Miss appealed the agreement and lost.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:44 pm to HottyToddy7
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This binded him to Alabama, which he did not understand. Ole Miss appealed the agreement and lost
And according to the AJC, it is commonplace for high school PSAs to sign the agreement. It is not a prep school specific document.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:45 pm to sarc
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It is common for high school seniors to sign all three documents each February.
Right, but if I understood the Clarion Ledger article correctly then the SEC financial aid agreement is more binding on a postgraduate than it would be on student who is still in high school that signs it.
Also, Hill failing to qualify (ruled ineligible by the clearinghouse) would nullify whatever he signed way back when in high school, right? Which is why the recent signing of the SEC financial aid agreement while Hill is doing post graduate work at Hargrave is binding on him.
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Hill is the lone casualty from Alabama's 26-man signing class. The other 25 were all present and accounted for when the Crimson Tide opened camp last week.
Hargrave Military Academy annually absorbs a number of highly rated players who fell just short academically. The school has a strong reputation of rehabilitating those players' careers and sending them off to top Division I programs.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:45 pm to HottyToddy7
Ole Miss? Seriously?
This is big boy football. Ole Miss has no business discussing doings and happenings of upper class citizens. Get back in your hole, Ole Miss!
This is big boy football. Ole Miss has no business discussing doings and happenings of upper class citizens. Get back in your hole, Ole Miss!
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:47 pm to HottyToddy7
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This binded him to Alabama, which he did not understand
A source with Ole Miss says he didn't understand.
You got any other proof than that to show Hill didn't understand what he was signing?
Maybe that's why Ole Miss lost their appeal.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:48 pm to BrerTiger
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Right, but if I understood the Clarion Ledger article correctly then the SEC financial aid agreement is more binding on a postgraduate than it would be on student who is still in high school that signs it
More binding? I see no indication of that.
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Also, Hill failing to qualify (ruled ineligible by the clearinghouse) would nullify whatever he signed way back when in high school, right?
That is my understanding.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:50 pm to BrerTiger
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A source with Ole Miss says he didn't understand.
You got any other proof than that to show Hill didn't understand what he was signing?
Maybe that's why Ole Miss lost their appeal.
No quotes but logically he would not have committed to Ole Miss if he knew he could not sign there.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:51 pm to BasilBogomil
funny how he claims he signed it "unknowingly"
So, is the article calling the kid "dumb?" What's he implying? I'm pretty sure I know that if I'm signing something, I'm going to make sure I know what it is. Just more Georgia trash from the AJC. Such a sad fanbase to our east.
So, is the article calling the kid "dumb?" What's he implying? I'm pretty sure I know that if I'm signing something, I'm going to make sure I know what it is. Just more Georgia trash from the AJC. Such a sad fanbase to our east.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:53 pm to sarc
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More binding? I see no indication of that.
Holy shite this is confusing.
Okay, Clarion Ledger story says that ONLY postgraduates sign the SEC financial aid agreement.
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Only postgraduate players can sign SEC financial aid agreements.
The AJC adds this wrinkle:
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It is common for high school seniors to sign all three documents each February. However, post-graduates or prep school players that enroll early at a four-year college usually sign only one — a financial aid agreement that is university-specific.
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Under SEC rules, a high school senior enrolling early can only sign one document, the financial aid agreement with a specific institution. However, there’s a loophole for postgraduates.
A compliance officer at one SEC school told the AJC that it was “very unusual” for postgraduates to sign the SEC financial aid agreement. They also gave credit to Alabama for thinking to do it.
Clear as mud?
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:56 pm to HottyToddy7
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No quotes but logically he would not have committed to Ole Miss if he knew he could not sign there.
He could have signed with Ole Miss when he committed to them. He was not bound to Bama at that time. Later, when visiting Bama, he flipped to Bama and signed the binding paperwork. The paper work that he signed last February was no longer binding because he failed to qualify.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:58 pm to PepaSpray
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I'm pretty sure I know that if I'm signing something, I'm going to make sure I know what it is.
Did you miss the whole mortgage meltdown in this country the last 5 years?
You really have way too much faith in your fellow man.
You do know this kid didn't have the grades to get into Bama on the first try, right?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:58 pm to sarc
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He could have signed with Ole Miss when he committed to them. He was not bound to Bama at that time. Later, when visiting Bama, he flipped to Bama and signed the binding paperwork. The paper work that he signed last February was no longer binding because he failed to qualify.
No he signed his Conference agreement when he was placed. Which was after his LOI was void and he didn't qualify.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 7:59 pm to HottyToddy7
Here's what Ole Miss poster last night said that Ole Miss recruiting reporter Neil (sp?) said about the situation:
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The interesting part of the Hill story is Ole Miss likely learned a lesson of sorts regarding a loophole in the paperwork involving prep school prospects. We've been told by several sources that Hill signed institutional paperwork with Ole Miss, papers that were non-binding. Had Ole Miss known about the SEC agreement, it could have and likely would have presented that to Hill as well. Would he have signed it? We'll never know. Once Alabama went to see him in Memphis and turned the pressure back on, things shifted in the Tide's favor. So to clear things up a bit: The SEC agreement part of this story is important to note, but the degree to which it determined Hill's choice is not really known. Hill's quotes to Andrew Bone indicate he would have chosen Alabama earlier in not for his mother, who preferred Ole Miss. Again, we'll never know.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:01 pm to sarc
All that proves is that he didn't know he was bound to Alabama until earlier this month when the Alabama compliance department notified the Ole Miss compliance department. And Neal doesn't know what's going on in this situation anyway. He is just trying to catch up.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:01 pm to sarc
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He could have signed with Ole Miss when he committed to them. He was not bound to Bama at that time. Later, when visiting Bama, he flipped to Bama and signed the binding paperwork. The paper work that he signed last February was no longer binding because he failed to qualify.
That is the story in a nutshell.
And if you reread the AJC piece, it actually gives Bama credit for a smart move.
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A compliance officer at one SEC school told the AJC that it was “very unusual” for postgraduates to sign the SEC financial aid agreement. They also gave credit to Alabama for thinking to do it.
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Outside the document issue, there’s a good chance that Hill might’ve ended up at Alabama anyways. He signed with the Crimson Tide last year but failed to meet NCAA requirements. Hill took an official visit to Alabama earlier this month and remained publicly committed to Ole Miss until a couple of day ago. Hill told BamaOnline that he flipped after having a “heart-to-heart talk” with his mother and that Alabama was his “dream.”
Sounds like the AJC really hates Bama.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 8:01 pm to HottyToddy7
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No he signed his Conference agreement when he was placed
Are you basing this off the CL? The article stated that he signed it while at Hargrave but also stated that he signed it earlier this month (both possible, I guess). But it did not say that he signed it when he was placed.
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