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re: NCAA in Pensacola, this week... Interesting...
Posted on 10/24/12 at 7:38 pm to mgmbamafan
Posted on 10/24/12 at 7:38 pm to mgmbamafan
Why must there be this charade of academic proficiency? Many of these guys are dumber than a box of rocks. But, if they can ball, let them ball. In fact, let them ball and give their scholarship to some kid who hopes to be a chemist or an engineer. That would be doing us all a favor.
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Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:19 am to TiggerWoods
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Paige had a 1.66 GPA at this HS and he will probably never have academic problems while at bama.
How the frick does someone even get a 1.66 GPA in HS. They make you go, if you don't show up to school, parents get called to court and pay truancy fines.
In my last 2 years of college I've coasted, never read the material, never studied until the night before the tests, and I'm still holding B's. I don't care about my GPA, the time I could put in to get high B's or A's isn't worth the time I work to be able to pay for the classes. Building the businesses I'm involved in are worth way more down the road in my eyes than another 10 pts on an exam.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:34 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Paige had a 1.66 GPA at this HS and he will probably never have academic problems while at bama.
If you had a 1.66 GPA in highschool, no way you could pass any college. Even Tuscaloosa..
Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:37 am to LanierSpots
Hell, I had a 3.0 and I still haven't gotten a degree
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 5:40 am
Posted on 10/25/12 at 6:52 am to Lee County Tiger
Look who cares about grades... Once had an assistant tell me he could get a lamp through school if he would go to class.
Notice, I did not say graduate.
In many ways HS is more difficult than college. In college there are easy courses of study at every school. Plus you have tutors whenever needed. Lots of resources to help.
Notice, I did not say graduate.
In many ways HS is more difficult than college. In college there are easy courses of study at every school. Plus you have tutors whenever needed. Lots of resources to help.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 7:20 am to mgmbamafan
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:10 am to NBamaAlum
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Also, isn't a 16 or so the cut-off for an athletic scholly? It isn't like the "student-athletes" have to get a 36 or something..
Is there not a minimum ACT score to get into Alabama? At LSU, you have to have a minimum composite score of 22.
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Patrick Peterson has already signed up to help them with the Wonderlic.
AJ Green and Julio Jones both scored very low on the Wonderlic. They are two of the most productive receivers in the game today.
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Why must there be this charade of academic proficiency? Many of these guys are dumber than a box of rocks. But, if they can ball, let them ball. In fact, let them ball and give their scholarship to some kid who hopes to be a chemist or an engineer. That would be doing us all a favor.
This is insane.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:12 am to wadewilson
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:37 am to mgmbamafan
Posted on 10/25/12 at 12:20 pm to TiggerWoods
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Paige had a 1.66 GPA at this HS and he will probably never have academic problems while at bama.
For everyone who's latched on to this comment, the article states that Pruitt believed Paige to have a 1.66 GPA in core classes. His overall GPA is most likely higher.
The low GPA is precisely why Pruitt wanted him to transfer to Foley. Since he can take more classes per semester at Foley than Washington he will have the opportunity to re-take core classes that he scored poorly on as a soph and junior. Retaking classes and doing better in them is the quickest way to drastically improve his GPA and gives him the best chance of meeting the NCAA's academic requirements.
Also, it's easy but lazy to assume that an athlete who has trouble qualifying out of high school but gets by academically in college is the result of something shady or untoward. Granted, there are instances where this happens like at UNC with AA studies or Auburn with Sociology. But just because a kid barely qualifies out of high school does not necessarily mean that he is stupid. Often times these kids don't realize they have a shot at playing college football (and therefore have a shot at going to college) until they are a junior or senior in high school. Many of these kids simply didn't try very hard in the classroom as frosh or sophs. Once they become D1 prospects, they spend their last 2 years trying to bring their GPAs up because they were slacking their first 2 years. They had the ability all along; they just needed motivation. Once they get to college, they have the motivation and are aided by lots and lots of academic support.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/25/12 at 12:39 pm to sarc
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The low GPA is precisely why Pruitt wanted him to transfer to Foley. Since he can take more classes per semester at Foley than Washington he will have the opportunity to re-take core classes that he scored poorly on as a soph and junior.
be honest, you made this up
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Granted, there are instances where this happens like at UNC with AA studies or Auburn with Sociology.
Nice, you brought up Auburn
Posted on 10/25/12 at 12:57 pm to NYCAuburn
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be honest, you made this up
What do you mean? I was trying to point out that transferring schools gives Paige the best chance to drastically improve his GPA because he will have the opportunity to re-take some of the core classes that are currently dragging down his GPA.
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Nice, you brought up Auburn
UNC and Auburn are the only 2 instances of alleged academic fraud for athletes that I'm aware of. I'm sure there have been others though.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:07 pm to sarc
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What do you mean? I was trying to point out that transferring schools gives Paige the best chance to drastically improve his GPA because he will have the opportunity to re-take some of the core classes that are currently dragging down his GPA.
I mean that part I highlighted, you know the part you made up quote:
UNC and Auburn are the only 2 instances of alleged academic fraud for athletes that I'm aware of. I'm sure there have been others though.
Oh there have been plenty, its just nice that Bama fans always think of Auburn. near and dear to your hearts and minds
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:36 pm to wadewilson
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Is there not a minimum ACT score to get into Alabama? At LSU, you have to have a minimum composite score of 22.
Ummmm...yeah. There is. Do you think the minimum is the same for an average student and a prospective student athlete? Either at UA or LSU?
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AJ Green and Julio Jones both scored very low on the Wonderlic. They are two of the most productive receivers in the game today
Okay. Does that change what I said?
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This is insane.
Oh. You're one of those kind of folks. "Student-athlete" is a bullshite term.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:47 pm to NBamaAlum
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Do you think the minimum is the same for an average student and a prospective student athlete? Either at UA or LSU?
Sure. Tahj Jones isn't playing this year because of his grades, and 2012 recruits Avery Johnson and Jeremy Liggins didn't qualify. There are probably more that I'm missing.
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Okay. Does that change what I said?
No, but the wonderlic isn't a requirement to get into college.
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Oh. You're one of those kind of folks. "Student-athlete" is a bullshite term.
Does the university exist because of the football program, or does the football program exist because of the university?
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:50 pm to wadewilson
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Sure. Tahj Jones isn't playing this year because of his grades, and 2012 recruits Avery Johnson and Jeremy Liggins didn't qualify. There are probably more that I'm missing.
You're mistaking clearance and eligibility.
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No, but the wonderlic isn't a requirement to get into college.
An LSU fan took a shot. I pointed out that LSU has some paste eaters also.
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Does the university exist because of the football program, or does the football program exist because of the university?
"Amateur" athletics are a joke. These kids are being used for their play and it is one big business.
I would love it if every kid was like Barrett Jones. They aren't. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:04 pm to NBamaAlum
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"Amateur" athletics are a joke. These kids are being used for their play and it is one big business.
I would love it if every kid was like Barrett Jones. They aren't. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.
I don't think universities should be able to let kids into their school just because they can ball. If you're going to do that, just make it like any other sport - you're good enough, you spend maybe 1 year in college, then go to the NFL.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:18 pm to wadewilson
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don't think universities should be able to let kids into their school just because they can ball.
The problem is that NCAA football has worked out deals with the NFL to essentially make CFB, the NFL DL. The NFL couldnt care less about the intelligence of a player. They just dont want them to commit any bad crimes.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:23 pm to NYCAuburn
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I mean that part I highlighted, you know the part you made up
What the hell are you talking about? What exactly did I make up? That Pruitt wanted Paige to transfer to Foley so he could get his GPA up?
Here are some quotes form the link in the OP:
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“He then proceeded to tell me that at Foley HS Darius could make up 7 core classes in one year,” the post said, referring to Pruitt
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According to the documents, Faucheaux told investigators one of the reasons Pruitt wanted Paige to transfer to Foley was he believed the senior’s core GPA to be a 1.66.
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Schellang and Faucheaux both said during the investigation that Pruitt said Foley could “take care of Paige academically.”
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He added that he was concerned he wouldn’t qualify if he stayed at Washington, noting Alabama does not have the FCAT (Florida's Comprehensive Assessment Test) and “some other stuff.”
According to the report, Pruitt said he advised the player to go to Foley because he could take seven core credits during the normal school day during his senior year.
Whether or not you believe that academics are the true reason Paige transferred, it's sure as hell not like Ijust made it up.
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Oh there have been plenty, its just nice that Bama fans always think of Auburn. near and dear to your hearts and minds
Sorry, didn't realize it was such a sensitive subject. I'll just mention the UNC case in the future so as not to offend you.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:29 pm to NYCAuburn
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The problem is that NCAA football has worked out deals with the NFL to essentially make CFB, the NFL DL. The NFL couldnt care less about the intelligence of a player. They just dont want them to commit any bad crimes.
A developmental league could have some negative consequences for college football. It would definitely have an effect on big time football programs.
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