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Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:06 pm to Govt Tide
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Cam was not ruled ineligible before the season though. He was just ruled ineligible by the NCAA on monday. Even in the bama case, Bama had to apply for reinstatement, the NCAA doesn't just reinstate people. At no point until this monday, had the NCAA advised AU to rule Cam ineligible because up until then, nothing substantial had been found.
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:11 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Cam was not ruled ineligible before the season though. He was just ruled ineligible by the NCAA on monday. Even in the bama case, Bama had to apply for reinstatement, the NCAA doesn't just reinstate people. At no point until this monday, had the NCAA advised AU to rule Cam ineligible because up until then, nothing substantial had been found.
The NCAA did not rule him ineligible, AU did.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:13 pm to D500MAG
It isn't over. The funny thing is AU has screwed itself.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:13 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I'm just saying though, that it isn't some unprecedented thing for a parent to act without the child's knowledge
The "child" was 20 yrs old. He gave his dad full authorization on his decision, that makes him culpable. Chick has owned some arse in this thread and shows how many straws alot of folks are grasping for that want to blindly believe a felon should have the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:17 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
"Cam was not ruled ineligible before the season though. He was just ruled ineligible by the NCAA on monday. Even in the bama case, Bama had to apply for reinstatement, the NCAA doesn't just reinstate people. At no point until this monday, had the NCAA advised AU to rule Cam ineligible because up until then, nothing substantial had been found."
Sorry, but that just seems WAY too convenient. Specific details of the Rogers, Newton, Bond conversations were pretty much public knowledge and were wildly debated on this very website AT LEAST a few days before the UGA game. I say AT LEAST because the NCAA, SEC, and Auburn knew the intricate details of the matter since this past summer at the latest. Either it was suggested to Auburn by the NCAA that they rule Cam ineligible a long time ago so he could be reinstated and for some stupid reason they didn't follow that advice or the NCAA basically said to hell with the reinstatement rule and every other member institution that has to follow it. We'll just let you play your quarterback regardless of the implications. If the first situation occurred, then Auburn compliance goofed up big time. If the latter happened, then the NCAA is totally incompetent and Auburn is the luckiest program on earth getting off an NCAA screw up. No way the NCAA could justify coming back and vacating wins if the second scenario happened.
Sorry, but that just seems WAY too convenient. Specific details of the Rogers, Newton, Bond conversations were pretty much public knowledge and were wildly debated on this very website AT LEAST a few days before the UGA game. I say AT LEAST because the NCAA, SEC, and Auburn knew the intricate details of the matter since this past summer at the latest. Either it was suggested to Auburn by the NCAA that they rule Cam ineligible a long time ago so he could be reinstated and for some stupid reason they didn't follow that advice or the NCAA basically said to hell with the reinstatement rule and every other member institution that has to follow it. We'll just let you play your quarterback regardless of the implications. If the first situation occurred, then Auburn compliance goofed up big time. If the latter happened, then the NCAA is totally incompetent and Auburn is the luckiest program on earth getting off an NCAA screw up. No way the NCAA could justify coming back and vacating wins if the second scenario happened.
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:19 pm to ThatAUguy
Let me know when it was proven that Cecil received money. Otherwise idgaf
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:24 pm to ThatAUguy
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Point is, you can't just rule someone ineligible because someone they know wanted money for a commitment. It doesn't matter if it's his coach, parent, acting agent, cuz, best friend, or some crackhead off the street.
You can't just throw parent in that list. That is the issue as far as precedent setting. It would not be setting up any issue to firmly state that the player and immediate family are one entity as far as violations are concerned.
There is almost no way to "prove" that a player knows what his parents are doing. Normal avenues of doing that don't apply (phone calls, etc.)
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:29 pm to ThatAUguy
This thing will probably end much worse than Auburn ever imagined in the long run.
Auburn forced the NCAA's hand and they had no choice but to reinstate the kid at this time. Placing the NCAA in an embarrassing position will only make this situation worse for Auburn.
So if you think the NCAA is finished, think again. The NCAA will turn every rock over in the Auburn program looking for that one disgruntled player, recruit, jilted girlfriend, or criminally charged Alum who is willing to testify. Testify to knowing what Cam or Auburn knew, or to some totally unrelated violation.
Hell hath no fury like a scorned and embarrassed NCAA. I sure hope Auburn is clean, because that glass house they live in is going to have a lot of broken windows.
Auburn forced the NCAA's hand and they had no choice but to reinstate the kid at this time. Placing the NCAA in an embarrassing position will only make this situation worse for Auburn.
So if you think the NCAA is finished, think again. The NCAA will turn every rock over in the Auburn program looking for that one disgruntled player, recruit, jilted girlfriend, or criminally charged Alum who is willing to testify. Testify to knowing what Cam or Auburn knew, or to some totally unrelated violation.
Hell hath no fury like a scorned and embarrassed NCAA. I sure hope Auburn is clean, because that glass house they live in is going to have a lot of broken windows.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:36 pm to ThatAUguy
Got news for ya,...dumbass,..the results are just as bad...THE PANDORA BOX IS OPEN NOW....
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:42 pm to tigersruledude
NCAA is a joke 
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:10 pm to bayou dave
Just curious...if this is the established way it works...
How would the NCAA ever "prove" something like this?
Normally the way they "prove" stuff is more along the lines of connections. For instance in the USC stuff most of the University sanctions were based on the fact that the NCAA determined that the RB coach knew what was going on. The NCAA report states IN WRITING that they never PROVED this but that they decided to believe the sports agents story based on a single photograph (containing the coach, the agents, and a famous actor) and a single two and a half minute phone call. So they gathered some evidence and drew a conclusion but their was nothing close to "proof".
With a father and son...all that stuff is a given. So is it even possible to "prove" it?
How would the NCAA ever "prove" something like this?
Normally the way they "prove" stuff is more along the lines of connections. For instance in the USC stuff most of the University sanctions were based on the fact that the NCAA determined that the RB coach knew what was going on. The NCAA report states IN WRITING that they never PROVED this but that they decided to believe the sports agents story based on a single photograph (containing the coach, the agents, and a famous actor) and a single two and a half minute phone call. So they gathered some evidence and drew a conclusion but their was nothing close to "proof".
With a father and son...all that stuff is a given. So is it even possible to "prove" it?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 5:04 pm to tigersruledude
One more question. What should the NCAA have done in this case?
No proof Cam knew about "talks"
No proof money was exchanged between Cecil and MSU
No allegations against Cam
No allegations against Auburn
No proof Cam knew about "talks"
No proof money was exchanged between Cecil and MSU
No allegations against Cam
No allegations against Auburn
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