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re: MSU, Ole Miss rivalry takes interesting turn with message board poster (Coach34)
Posted on 7/9/16 at 4:32 pm to TampaReb
Posted on 7/9/16 at 4:32 pm to TampaReb
Also page 20 breaks down what violation are assigned where and nothing to do with Saunders losing and not working with NCAA is assigned to ULL even though they agreed with allegation.
Now I could be long but in the penalty area there was nothing holding ULL responsible for Saunders lying and not working with NCAA. The hole sections on that allegation is on what Saunders did wrong and nothing that ULL did. Why would it be different for Ole Miss? If your not employed like a coach or associated like a booster how can you punish the school?
Now I could be long but in the penalty area there was nothing holding ULL responsible for Saunders lying and not working with NCAA. The hole sections on that allegation is on what Saunders did wrong and nothing that ULL did. Why would it be different for Ole Miss? If your not employed like a coach or associated like a booster how can you punish the school?
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:53 pm to CoonassBulldog
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Dude advocates raping and beating women.
lol...thats hilarious. You people are really sick
You can claim all the stupid shite you want-
So you're denying ever saying that Simmons beating up the woman was NBD because "that's the culture that 'they' grew up in"?
I ask that question because pretty much everyone saw you post it.
Personal accountability is looking to be quite a bitch. I guess it really is just easier to deny everything you've ever done or said and just blame someone else for you currently being unemployed.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 8:54 pm to TampaReb
ULL did get punished for it. In the link you provided...
"When the former assistant football coach
declined to participate in a third interview and refused to furnish his
cellular phone records, he failed to fulfill his obligations to cooperate fully
in the investigation. Accordingly, he violated NCAA Bylaw 19.2.3. "
So up until the very end both the NCAA and ULL acknowledged that Saunders not cooperating even after he was fired violated a specific NCAA rule (19.2.3, a Level 1 violation).
Apparently ULL never tried to say they weren't liable for Saunders not cooperating after he was fired, so I guess it's possible that Ole Miss will successfully refute theirs simply by arguing that they shouldn't be held responsible.
"When the former assistant football coach
declined to participate in a third interview and refused to furnish his
cellular phone records, he failed to fulfill his obligations to cooperate fully
in the investigation. Accordingly, he violated NCAA Bylaw 19.2.3. "
So up until the very end both the NCAA and ULL acknowledged that Saunders not cooperating even after he was fired violated a specific NCAA rule (19.2.3, a Level 1 violation).
Apparently ULL never tried to say they weren't liable for Saunders not cooperating after he was fired, so I guess it's possible that Ole Miss will successfully refute theirs simply by arguing that they shouldn't be held responsible.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:03 pm to Grateful Reb
This is coonassbulldog, right?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:11 pm to TTsTowel
Yea thats him allright 
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:14 pm to MedDawg
Where in that quote did it said that ULL was being punished for Saunders not cooperating? Everyone agreed that Saunders lied and that he didn't cooperate but the NCAA never said that ULL was responsible for that or was being held accountable. Show me where the NCAA says that ULL is responsible for making a fired coach cooperate?
The coaches had zero ties to Ole Miss when they committed the infractions so how are they responsible?
You have given 2 quotes stating Saunders committed infractions for lying and not cooperating but zero showing that's on ULL.
The coaches had zero ties to Ole Miss when they committed the infractions so how are they responsible?
You have given 2 quotes stating Saunders committed infractions for lying and not cooperating but zero showing that's on ULL.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:16 pm to El Batnaros
I thought so. This was an interesting read. Entertaining.
I have nothing against C34, FWIW.
I have nothing against C34, FWIW.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:30 pm to TampaReb
OM is fricked dude
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:40 pm to El Batnaros
It don't matter to the NCAA. Coach34 didn't create the Ole Miss recruiting cheating. They did.
The NCAA has solid facts and it is not based on any message board posts. Bank on it.
The NCAA has solid facts and it is not based on any message board posts. Bank on it.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:43 pm to MedDawg
Med - so ULL got hit with Head Coach sanctions, bowl bans, TV bans, etc. b/c of Saunders?
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:54 am to Central Pork
Please tell me about the massive proof of pay for play or buying recruits the NCAA has. Please put the facts out there.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:55 am to boot
and that's your last hope.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 4:43 am to Grateful Reb
OK Rebels, on a serious note, I have not been to Oxford in a bit and have to spend a few nights there in early August. Need a few recs for best home cooking joint, BBQ and a decent steak.
That is all.
That is all.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 9:52 am to cave canem
Snicker lickers OMG 
The things on this board never cease to amaze me at times, glad Im a Bama Fan 
The things on this board never cease to amaze me at times, glad Im a Bama Fan Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:03 pm to matthew25
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Med - so ULL got hit with Head Coach sanctions, bowl bans, TV bans, etc. b/c of Saunders?
ULL was hit with scholarship penalties and a lot of vacated wins.
All I mean in this convo is that Saunders lack of cooperation after he was fired was never removed from the allegations or reduced from Level 1. It was included in the very last NCAA document as one of the infractions that led to ULL's penalties. So Ole Miss fans can't assume that OM won't be held liable for Saunders and Vaughn lying to the NCAA after being fired from Ole Miss.
This started with an OM fan saying that there aren't really eight Level 1 violations because two of them were Saunders and Vaughn lying and not cooperating after they were fired. He said Ole Miss can't be held liable for those and that those two violations would be thrown out.
I then showed where the NCAA made the same allegation against ULL, ULL then agreed that it is an infraction, cited Rule 19.2.3, and agreed it was a Level 1 violation. The NCAA included the allegation in their final penalty document. It was never reduced or thrown out.
Ole Miss has refuted the allegation, so maybe the NCAA will go along with that, even though they penalized ULL with the same allegation. ULL never argued against it.
This post was edited on 7/10/16 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:18 pm to MedDawg
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Ole Miss has refuted the allegation, so maybe the NCAA will go along with that, even though they penalized ULL with the same allegation. ULL never argued against it.
The major difference is Saunders was refusing to cooperate & did lie while employed by ULL. In the Ole Miss situation, the lies Saunders and Vaughn told were YEARS after they were no longer employed by Ole Miss. That there is a slippery slope. It would be like a governing body sanction my former employer for me lying about something years after I left that employer.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:21 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Is this thread worth reading through?
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:29 pm to OBReb6
You are familiar with all of Bdork's talking points so probably not.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:29 pm to OBReb6
quote:I would say it is akin to an ice pick in the eye; so sure!
Is this thread worth reading through?
Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:52 pm to MedDawg
Ole Miss isn't refuting it because it has nothing to do with them as they stated in the NOA. It didn't make a case for them not being responsible there attorneys stated it as a fact. But again I'm sure you are much more informed in the NCAA process then Ole Miss's attorney.
Look at the NCAA final decision when they broke down the infraction of Rule 19.2.3 it never once address that ULL had any responsibility it only address Saunders did and in great detail. You can keep ignoring the facts all you want.
Those violations against Saunders and Vaughn 100% will not be thrown out in any way. Just like Saunders violation with ULL wasn't thrown out he was hammered for it and they will get hit for those two violations. Just Ole Miss won't because they are not responsible or tied to those infractions. It was all Saunders and Vaughn on there own with out any connection to Ole Miss. schools are responsible for booster and coaches because they are considered part of the University. Ole Miss has not refuted them because they are not invoked in those violations. Or are you saying a school can be punished for an infraction that a coach commits after they are fired and 100% not associated with the school? Just provide a source to that. Just show where the NCAA states that a University is responsible for a fired coach lying? Just give one source for that. It is 100% violation for the coach yes but not the school.
Look at the NCAA final decision when they broke down the infraction of Rule 19.2.3 it never once address that ULL had any responsibility it only address Saunders did and in great detail. You can keep ignoring the facts all you want.
Those violations against Saunders and Vaughn 100% will not be thrown out in any way. Just like Saunders violation with ULL wasn't thrown out he was hammered for it and they will get hit for those two violations. Just Ole Miss won't because they are not responsible or tied to those infractions. It was all Saunders and Vaughn on there own with out any connection to Ole Miss. schools are responsible for booster and coaches because they are considered part of the University. Ole Miss has not refuted them because they are not invoked in those violations. Or are you saying a school can be punished for an infraction that a coach commits after they are fired and 100% not associated with the school? Just provide a source to that. Just show where the NCAA states that a University is responsible for a fired coach lying? Just give one source for that. It is 100% violation for the coach yes but not the school.
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