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re: More Surprising 2013 National Champion: LSU or South Carolina:

Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:24 pm to
Posted by Capo
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2013
858 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:24 pm to
Neither would be surprising

Both are at the top of their prospective divisions.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33950 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:25 pm to
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Les Miles and LSU winning the NC in 2013 would be the most LSU thing since 2007. Everyone is projecting LSU to have a down year but typically this is when Les Miles is at his best


Really? Care to provide an example? I mean, I appreciate the optimism for LSU and all, but I just don't think this is true.

In 2007 we were preseason #2. In 2011 we were preseason #4. This just doesn't fit. When LSU is at its best, everybody knows we will be good.

The last time people were this down on LSU was heading into the 2009 season (after the abortion of a season that was 2008). Were we as bad as people thought? No. Did we even come close to winning the SEC, much less the NC? No, not even close.
Posted by thatdude1985
Oxford, AL
Member since Oct 2011
27038 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:29 pm to
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Les Miles and LSU winning the NC in 2013 would be the most LSU thing since 2007.


What does this even mean?
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33950 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:31 pm to
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What does this even mean?



It is pretty baffling, especially considering everyone expected LSU to win the SEC and face USC in the NCG that year.

I mean, some crazy stuff happened in 2007, no doubt, but to say that LSU came out of nowhere is just ignorant. We were preseason #2 and took over the #1 spot in early October.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 6:32 pm
Posted by thatdude1985
Oxford, AL
Member since Oct 2011
27038 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:33 pm to
Well..he's a moron.
Posted by TigerDen
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2005
1343 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:34 pm to
You got one thing wrong (LSU was highly ranked in 07 and 11), though the point is valid. LSU does play better when expectations are low, we've always enjoyed being the underdog. This could be one of those years where we lose maybe only 2 games, though NC is a little too much to ask for. (but the LSU fan in me still believes)
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33950 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:36 pm to
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LSU does play better when expectations are low, we've always enjoyed being the underdog.


There is little evidence for this. Aside from 2003 (which was not a Les Miles team), point me toward some evidence that LSU plays better when expected to lose.

The only possibility I see is 2009, and we were OK. We went 9-3 but came really close to being 6-6.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33950 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:37 pm to
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Well..he's a moron


IDK but that post was almost completely wrong. In fact, the opposite of what he said about LSU is true.
Posted by Rebel Land Shark
Member since Jul 2013
30174 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:39 pm to
LSU defiantly...
Like you said most people predict him to have a down year
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:00 pm to
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There is little evidence for this. Aside from 2003 (which was not a Les Miles team), point me toward some evidence that LSU plays better when expected to lose.

I think you're thinking a little too hard

When I say most LSU thing ever I'm refering to winning games despite poor clock management (see Tennessee 2010 and Ole Miss 2009), the fake field goals, going for it on 4th down, the bar-fighting QB, ect, ect, ect

Basically, I think of LSU as the SEC's crazy uncle from Lou-weez-ziana who's a roaring good time until his pisses on the carpet
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 7:05 pm
Posted by thatdude1985
Oxford, AL
Member since Oct 2011
27038 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:00 pm to
I say he's a moron because he doesn't recognize Alabama's 2011 and 2012 championships as "legit"...when they had one the biggest scandals in the history of CFB carrying their team in 2010. THIS ISN'T a jab to Auburn fans...it's just the truth.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 7:01 pm
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:03 pm to
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say he's a moron because he doesn't recognize Alabama's 2011 and 2012 championships as "legit"...when they had one the biggest scandals in the history of CFB carrying their team in 2010.

Off-field issues =/= on field performance and also I'm entitled to my opinion.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45156 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:04 pm to
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Lol! Not really! Our young talent is easily better than your overall talent.


Uhh...you do realize that you are agreeing with him then, right? The question of the thread is what would be more SURPRISING? Not who's better out of LSU and USC next year. Smh
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33950 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:21 pm to
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Ole Miss 2009


We lost that game, ftr.

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the fake field goals, going for it on 4th down


All of which belies our coach's fundamentally conservative approach to the game of football.

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the bar-fighting QB


Which one?
Posted by Rebel Land Shark
Member since Jul 2013
30174 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:27 pm to
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Ole Miss 2009


I remember being at that game and thinking what the frick had just happened
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
46495 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:27 pm to
LSU because of their schedule
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:29 pm to
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the bar-fighting QB
quote:

Which one?


Mett is the, "no means no QB"
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:30 pm to
South Carolina, because they've never done it and traditionally have never even been close.
Posted by USMC Gators
Member since Oct 2011
14633 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:32 pm to
LSU.
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 7:37 pm to
This link captures the essence of LSU under Les Miles. Although the focus is on games versus Florida, it captures what I was attempting to say in the OP.
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•2007: Maybe the moment Les Miles ascended to mature Hatdom. At home, LSU scored a TD on the fake field goal, goes 5/5 on fourth down conversions, rips back from a halftime deficit to beat Florida, and struts on from there to win the BCS title despite two insane overtime losses on the schedule. It's the total Les Miles experience in a single game, right down to LSU hearing USC had lost to Stanford (YAAAAAAYYYY) and then immediately giving up a 37 yard TD to Cornelius Ingram on the next play (AWWWW shite.)
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