re: More SECN Butt-Hurt

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The Big 12's footprint is so small as well. Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, and West Virginia. And they only have 2 football teams that draw national interest. Plus, the Longhorn Network will prevent the conference as a whole from ever having a network. It will eventually be the only Big 5 conference without a network and it is going to be a major competitive disadvantage for OU, Kansas, etc who will have by far the lowest revenues in the Big 5 due to the greed of UT.

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It's why Missouri and aTm were fortunate to escape and why the ACC was lucky to (partially) lock down Notre Dame.

Notre Dame was the only available chip that could have kept XII viable, long-term.

The ACC will survive while the XII will eventually implode.

Look what they lost
Nebraska - flagship school and state of Nebraska
Missouri - flagship school and state of Missouri
Colorado - flagship school and state of Colorado
Texas A&M - flagship school and part state of Texas


They got a small religious school in TX and the low population state of WV. As soon as Big Red bolted they should have already lined up Louisville, but they waited even on that and lost them to the ACC. Not like WVU or TCU were going anywhere so they could have added them later as they would always be there. Love or hate the Cards they have multiple sports you can put on a conference network.

Not only did they lose big schools and populations but they lost schools that can fill multiple sports and fill the "middle" of a network. Losing Nebraska may have hurt the most as their fans are pretty "all in" for all the sports Nebraska participates in. They also lost the CWS park to the B1G.

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Link so I can go have some fun with these sad sacks

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just google : Land Thieves

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But that's where you're wrong.

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Right now the Big 12 is fine with it, but wait until the new world of college football gets going. Big 5 playing only Big 5, schools forced to pay full cost of tuition plus profit sharing with athletes, and every Big 5 school making 50 million or more on tv revenue except for 9 schools in the Big 12. Some in the Big 12 like Iowa St will bend over and take it because they have no other option. OU will pack up and go though. You can't compete in recruiting while making half the revenue of your competitors. Texas will have to either give up the LHN to save its own conference or go independent.

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But that's where you're wrong.

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I think what he is saying is long term, not just the present

I could see where 4 teams go to the PAC and they get paired networks. Say TX network for tu and TT while OU and OSU or OU and KU get paired in the other one. That seems to be the way the PAC is doing their system pairs united under the main network.

It's inevitable that the Big12 will break up...

In the end, we will have 4 16-team conferences...the pac16, the Big10, the ACC, and the SEC.

It's just a matter of time. It's not gonna happen overnight, but everyone knows the end game.

Texas, Baylor, txTech, TCU to Pac12
WestVirginia to ACC
Kansas, KansasSt, IowaSt to Big10
OU/OklSt to SEC

Might be some shuffling with NC and Virginia schools with ACC/SEC, but the bottom line is the Big12 will disperse itself among the other 4 conferences...there are a couple of different ways that "disbursement" could play out, but above is my best guess.

It will all happen at once pretty much and all current Big12 teams will have a home, which will make the GOR irrelevant.

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t will all happen at once pretty much and all current Big12 teams will have a home, which will make the GOR irrelevant.

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All current Big 12 teams will NOT have a home in a power conference. What makes the GOR irrelevant is if a majority vote to dissolve the conference.

Teams with options:

Texas (IF the longhorn network is scuttled)

Oklahoma (If and when Boone Pickens dies or Oklahoma State is taken as a package deal)

Iowa State (AAU school. Big Ten would consider)

Kansas (AAU school and basketball power. Big Ten would consider)

West Virginia (if the ACC wants them)

The other schools are SOL for the following reasons:

Baylor (private religious school with average academics, small fan base, and minimal budget)

TCU (see Baylor, only with less Ken Starr)

Oklahoma State (Boone Pickens is the only thing keeping them tied to Oklahoma)

Kansas State (glorified JUCO)

Texas Tech (see Kansas State)

The current Big 12 is the SWC after the SMU death penalty.

You have more than one private school, 2 "name" schools, a school WAY outside the footprint, and everything else in the same basic geographic area.

To illustrate:

Texas and Texas A&M (SWC) = Texas and Oklahoma (B12)

Baylor, and TCU (SWC) = Baylor and TCU (B12)

Arkansas (SWC) = West Virginia (B12)

Texas Tech, Houston, SMU, Rice (SWC) = Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Texas Tech (B12)

In the end, Houston, SMU, Rice, and TCU were left to wither and die on the vine.

If the Big 12 breaks up, Baylor, TCU, and Kansas State are almost certainly left behind. Texas Tech might survive due to its size and Oklahoma State due to Boone Pickens.

Land Thieves

What are the legal ramifications/punishments if they did leave without OSU?