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re: Mizzou fan questions
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:30 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:30 am to cardboardboxer
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That is downplaying a little. This is making international news. The poop swastika heard around the world.
What does international news have to do with whether or not to send my kid there? Who gives a frick? Michael Sam was international news too, I wouldn't give a shite about that as to whether to send my kid to Mizzou nor this.
This shite about it being specific to Mizzou is silly. Any posters here who were alive in the 1960s and 70s need to check themselves. There have been protests of various kinds at every major university in the country over the years. Should parents in Ohio still avoid sending their kids to Kent State? Crazy shite happens there, ya know.
Its a bunch of college kids being all activist-y and attention seeking like college kids do. There's no violence involved. It's annoying PR and its sending people into a political tizzy, but as to the question of if a kid should attend Mizzou or not, it really doesn't make half a frick worth of difference IMHO.
I see various demonstrations outside the Texas capitol every week where I work. Should I quit my job because OMG PROTESTARS OH THE HUGE MANATEEE, OH NOES!!!!
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:38 am to TigerTalker16
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You got some of the most die hard Mizzou fans on here now wanting to turn their kids away from attending the University of Missouri after this mess.
Can you blame them? Their faculty looks politically radical and downright stupid, a lot of their students look childish, and their administration and coaching staff looks spineless.
That's not easy to put up with. Level headed people are going to be turned off by this BS and how the school just caved to radical political elements.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:48 am to dewster
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Can you blame them?
No, and it's a damn shame.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:49 am to Marco Esquandolas
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Well then dammit, it's time for that 90% to step up and take action.
This. And perhaps this is why all of this wouldn't happen "anywhere". Maybe if this happened at Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and some other schools, the majority might rise up and collectively say "Hell no." If a few individuals on the other side can find the time and exert the effort to protest, then why can't the silent majority?
Interesting take here.
"If anyone running the university had any guts, the school would have told the team, “Come back and talk to us when you can beat sad-sack Vanderbilt, or at least score more than three points against them.” Given the team’s performance, the proper rejoinder to its threatened boycott should have been, “How would anyone notice?”"
Maybe some members of the supposed silent majority will grow a set, put some time and energy into mounting an opposing campaign. Boycott the next two games. Stage mass protests at the games. Show some real guts and have about 100 students go on a hunger strike until the idiot professors in that video are fired. Fight fire with fire, times 100.
But maybe the problem is that no one at Missouri has the guts to do it.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:51 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:51 am to BamaGradinTn
Mizzou if the Lion before he met the Wizard in Oz.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:53 am to dewster
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Can you blame them? Their faculty looks politically radical and downright stupid, a lot of their students look childish, and their administration and coaching staff looks spineless.
Yes I can blame them.
If their kid wants to be a journalist, for instance, Mizzou is still the best choice in the country and keeping their kid from going there due this would be stupid and spineless parenting.
There were about two faculty members tops who got involved stupidly in the protest and their actions will likely have repercussions for those two. I would hope a Vandy grad would know better than to take the actions of a few and make a blanket attribution of them to an entire faculty. I had a couple Vandy professors who were raving wackaloons. Doesn't mean they all are.
Same thing with "a lot of the students" looking childish. First, stop the presses - they *are* children. People are shocked that 18 and 19 year olds aren't all acting mature. Go figure. Must be bad parenting. Second, define "a lot." It's been harped on during the protest what a small percentage of the student body these protestors really are. Well, there you go.
The administration and coaching staff looks to me like they did the only thing they could do with a gun put to their head. Frankly sometimes the highest and bravest form of leadership is to take a fall for the entity you are tasked with leading, even if your personal fall is not justified. That's what Wolfe did. All that mattered regardless of if his actions were worthy of calling for his resignation or not is that every single day he stayed on as system president, Mizzou was going to stay front page national news and continue to have its reputation tarnished and be a center of controversy daily.
By removing himself from the equation, which was the right thing for a leader to do, Wolfe now is giving Mizzou a chance to get the frick back out of the limelight and get back to business. I think they will take it and I think its already starting to happen. As far as TV networks, CNN is still milking this as the front page splash of its website, but the ABC, NBC and CBS news websites don't seem to give a f*** anymore and Fox News is only focused on how bad the protestors treated the student journalist, which is good for Mizzou really. And that's just today. My guess is over the next few days this will be further marginalized in the national news cycle, become more side bar than main attraction.
Again, what I'm saying there isn't that Wolfe deserved to be forced out. Not at all. But being a strong leader, rather than a spineless one, sometimes involves self sacrifice when you realize that whether justified or not, your very presence is the thing that is causing the entity you lead to have problems.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:55 am to BamaGradinTn
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But maybe the problem is that no one at Missouri has the guts to do it.
Well yeah, because the first group that does it is going to be flagged as racist and as a group that doesn't support equality.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:55 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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This shite about it being specific to Mizzou is silly. Any posters here who were alive in the 1960s and 70s need to check themselves. There have been protests of various kinds at every major university in the country over the years. Should parents in Ohio still avoid sending their kids to Kent State
This is about as stupid as it gets. If everyone in this alleged "silent majority" thinks this way, no wonder Missouri is as fricked up as it is.
Yeah, you had protests in the sixties and seventies, when there were things worth protesting.
The comparison to protests outside the Texas capitol is fricking idiotic. Did those protesters get the governor removed from office?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:58 am to TigerTalker16
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Well yeah, because the first group that does it is going to be flagged as racist and as a group that doesn't support equality.
If the group is, say, 10,000 people? You're going to let someone calling you a racist keep you from doing what you think is right? Then they deserve exactly what they're getting. We have candidates for President being called racists. You think they're weak and impotent enough to let that stop them? Hell no.
Grow a set, Missouri students, and take your school back.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:58 am to BamaGradinTn
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But maybe the problem is that no one at Missouri has the guts to do it.
This is a lot of tough talk mumbo jumbo but when faced with the prospect of Alabama *actually* losing a football game mid season over this I can't see anything else but Bama caving.
That said, the real reason the football teams at Alabama, Auburn or LSU would never boycott is because of the very real Bag Man system of those SEC schools. There wouldn't be a need for a public display of "balls" by white Bama or Auburn or LSU alums and administrators because the boosters already have control over most of the football players' families' income or livelihood under the table in some form or fashion anyway.
That's a truth bomb that will piss you guys off but you're the one who wants to discuss whether this would happen elsewhere or not, and this is the real factor. You guys have hush money galore to utilize with these athletes and the conservative Bag Man alums who administer it would be damn sure to let the player they are "sponsoring" know off the record that they better not boycott or else they or their family lose their secret cash flow.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:59 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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What does international news have to do with whether or not to send my kid there? Who gives a frick? Michael Sam was international news too, I wouldn't give a shite about that as to whether to send my kid to Mizzou nor this.
I don't think it should directly affect where you send your kids, but the longterm results are unknown. Mizzou is traveling into uncharted waters.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:00 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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That's a truth bomb that will piss you guys
Meh I said that same thing day 1.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:00 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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If their kid wants to be a journalist, for instance, Mizzou is still the best choice in the country
With a journalism student, trying to take pictures of a public event, in a public place, being harassed and physically intimidated not just by students, but by a fricking communications professor? You may have been a great journalism school up to this point, but now you're a fricking joke.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:00 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Yeah, you had protests in the sixties and seventies, when there were things worth protesting.
There have also been plenty of protests over things that many thought were NOT worth protesting. And besides, what is or isn't worth protesting is subjective. I don't think most of the demonstrations I see at the capitol here are worth protesting over or else I'd be out there with them. Same with my kid. If I send the kid to Mizzou and he or she doesn't give a frick about the issue, then he won't go non-violently protest, he'll just go drink beers at Shiloh like a normal college kid. Who gives a frick?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:02 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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This is a lot of tough talk mumbo jumbo but when faced with the prospect of Alabama *actually* losing a football game mid season over this I can't see anything else but Bama caving.
That's because you're an idiot, as already evidenced by your posts.
Ooooh...I'm sorry...did I invade your "safe space"?
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:05 pm to BamaGradinTn
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With a journalism student, trying to take pictures of a public event, in a public place, being harassed and physically intimidated not just by students, but by a fricking communications professor? You may have been a great journalism school up to this point, but now you're a fricking joke.
Yes, because that one moment in a random viral video instantly rendered all the classes at our #1 ranked journalism school sub par, rendered the textbooks used erroneous, rendered the equipment they use broken and worthless, rendered the job opportunities for graduates non-existent. I hear that John Anderson at ESPN is being handed his pink slip as we speak, as his degree is now just a frickING JOKE!
And of course that journalism student himself isn't getting tons of free publicity and ability to market himself to future employers for knowing his rights and standing his ground and covering an emotionally charged news event with dignity and calm persistence. Gosh, that might just be the greatest feather in the cap of a resume any aspiring journalist could ask for.
You're really bad at this.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:06 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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There have also been plenty of protests over things that many thought were NOT worth protesting. And besides, what is or isn't worth protesting is subjective.
More deflection and more stupidity. You've compared protesting a war in which 50,000 lives were lost with protesting and getting a university president fired over shite getting smeared on a bathroom wall and some random redneck yelling an insult from a truck. You're making yourself look like a fool.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:06 pm to BamaGradinTn
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That's because you're an idiot
Yeah name calling seems to be about the extent of your debate skills. Which is to say, you don't have any.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:08 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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You're really bad at this.
More evidence of your delusion. You can't see the obvious. It isn't just me...national publications are calling attention to this shitstorm. Like I said...with students/alums/supporters like you, no wonder Missouri is as fricked up as it is.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:08 pm to BamaGradinTn
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You've compared protesting a war in which 50,000 lives were lost
Show me exactly where I referenced that above war in my statement "there have also been plenty of protests over things many thought were NOT worth protesting." In the context of the discussion must folks with good reading comp would realize I was specifically NOT referring to the war in question when I made that comment.
You are really an easy adversary. I like you.
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