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Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:56 pm to escatawpabuckeye
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:56 pm to escatawpabuckeye
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at the time, from an outsider's perspective, it seemed like a terrible idea to get rid of stansbury. it has proven to be so.
The only thing that was a mistake, was not getting rid of that loser a year earlier.
Thats why we are where we are. We still dont have a real roster because we kept having to get rid of his thug players.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:53 pm to Tds & Beer
I don't pay attention to Basketball enough to know but how long does it take to build a full roster?
Aren't there only like 15 scholarship players on a team and is there a limit to the number of scholarships you can give in a given year no matter the shape of the roster?
Aren't there only like 15 scholarship players on a team and is there a limit to the number of scholarships you can give in a given year no matter the shape of the roster?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:54 pm to Shunface
13.
Takes awhile when you are still having moron attrition in the second year -- as well as having guys fail a single class that prevents them from getting out of JUCO on time...
Year 3 -- Ray is out of excuses -- and it'll be time to get into the NIT or GTFO. And State fans aren't going to be satisfied with that longterm -- but it'll give direction and hope for the future.
Takes awhile when you are still having moron attrition in the second year -- as well as having guys fail a single class that prevents them from getting out of JUCO on time...
Year 3 -- Ray is out of excuses -- and it'll be time to get into the NIT or GTFO. And State fans aren't going to be satisfied with that longterm -- but it'll give direction and hope for the future.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:07 pm to escatawpabuckeye
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at the time, from an outsider's perspective, it seemed like a terrible idea to get rid of stansbury. it has proven to be so.
Teammates brawling in the stands aside and all.
They didn't have a choice but to shitcan Stansbury at that point. Even Mark Richt couldn't have lost control like that.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:10 pm to Elleshoe
Miss St. was a top 5 SECBBS, then they pushed their coach out and now they are bottom 4.
Moral : don't pull of clothes in a tank of piranhas, or your johnson might become a john.....
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Moral : don't pull of clothes in a tank of piranhas, or your johnson might become a john.....
:rimshot:
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
yeah, old renaldo sidney was a piece of work. that being said, starkville is a place that is far enough off the beaten path that stansbury could have easily ridden out that storm.
when stansbury was still at state, the team was consistently in contention for the post season if not always a tournament team. they were tough and well coached if not always very talented - go figure that the one year that stansbury went out of his way to get talent the wheels would fall off the wagon.
i guess its all about managing expectations and whatnot, but I really thought stansbury had the program at a pretty darn solid level for a middle tier SEC school. They were consistently better than most other SEC teams and certainly had their boot on the neck of ole miss, which is of course a job requirement in starkville.
when stansbury was still at state, the team was consistently in contention for the post season if not always a tournament team. they were tough and well coached if not always very talented - go figure that the one year that stansbury went out of his way to get talent the wheels would fall off the wagon.
i guess its all about managing expectations and whatnot, but I really thought stansbury had the program at a pretty darn solid level for a middle tier SEC school. They were consistently better than most other SEC teams and certainly had their boot on the neck of ole miss, which is of course a job requirement in starkville.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
yeah, old renaldo sidney was a piece of work. that being said, starkville is a place that is far enough off the beaten path that stansbury could have easily ridden out that storm.
when stansbury was still at state, the team was consistently in contention for the post season if not always a tournament team. they were tough and well coached if not always very talented - go figure that the one year that stansbury went out of his way to get talent the wheels would fall off the wagon.
i guess its all about managing expectations and whatnot, but I really thought stansbury had the program at a pretty darn solid level for a middle tier SEC school. They were consistently better than most other SEC teams and certainly had their boot on the neck of ole miss, which is of course a job requirement in starkville.
when stansbury was still at state, the team was consistently in contention for the post season if not always a tournament team. they were tough and well coached if not always very talented - go figure that the one year that stansbury went out of his way to get talent the wheels would fall off the wagon.
i guess its all about managing expectations and whatnot, but I really thought stansbury had the program at a pretty darn solid level for a middle tier SEC school. They were consistently better than most other SEC teams and certainly had their boot on the neck of ole miss, which is of course a job requirement in starkville.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:28 pm to escatawpabuckeye
I pretty much agree. Sidney was his biggest mistake
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:44 pm to Elleshoe
He "lost control" a couple of classes before Sidney. We consistently underachieved for the amount of talent on the team under him from 05 on.
He ultimately quit recruiting good leadership and intangibles in guys to go along with a couple of stars and went after nothing but raw talent regardless of baggage -- and it eventually cost him his job.
The overall results on the court would have not got him fired -- it was the off-the-court stuff coupled with the specifics of "how" we were losing games.
He's not the first guy that's won in Starkville and won't be the last. We are a very different school and town than we were 20 years ago as well.
He ultimately quit recruiting good leadership and intangibles in guys to go along with a couple of stars and went after nothing but raw talent regardless of baggage -- and it eventually cost him his job.
The overall results on the court would have not got him fired -- it was the off-the-court stuff coupled with the specifics of "how" we were losing games.
He's not the first guy that's won in Starkville and won't be the last. We are a very different school and town than we were 20 years ago as well.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:46 pm to engie
Y'all need to go back to the old court and renovate The Hump. It needs it.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:49 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Y'all need to go back to the old court and renovate The Hump. It needs it.
It's about 4th on the agenda -- next behind Dudy Noble.
The Hump is pretty nice on the inside -- it just looks like shite from the outside. Need to go back and add alot of luxury seating, which I actually think we have room to do between the first and second decks without losing much if any seating...
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:52 pm to engie
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The Hump is pretty nice on the inside
To an extent. There's just so much room for improvement.
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Need to go back and add alot of luxury seating, which I actually think we have room to do between the first and second decks without losing much if any seating...
Like this. There's a lot of potential.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:54 pm to engie
It's always reminded me of a cinnamon roll with icing oozing over the sides
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:57 pm to TupeloReb
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It's always reminded me of a cinnamon roll with icing oozing over the sides
Yeah -- it's going to take at least 50 years at MSU to "fix" all of the terrible, mismatched, halfass, cheap, shitty architecture that went in prior to the last decade... There has been a ton of improvement made now that we've got "our look", but there's a long way to go.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:58 pm to escatawpabuckeye
I love how everyone else tries to tell us that Stans wasn't a piece of shite turd, when we all knew for years that he was a piece of shite turd that needed to be flushed.
Let us handle our own shite and you handle yours.
Let us handle our own shite and you handle yours.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:00 pm to engie
To be honest, there's enough blame to go around for everybody involved.
1- Starts with Stans. He had control issues. That's on him
2- The AD had no idea what he was going to do. If you were going to fire Stans, then you should have known who you wanted and had them hired. He gave little time for ANY COACH to come in and keep the players and then recruit. Once he decided to make the move, it took him 3 years to find somebody!
3- I was against the hire and do not feel he is a good coach nor recruiter. So far, he has not proven me wrong. I hope he does though.
I think Stans should have been given a firm "this year or your done" to see what he could have done. He would have most certainly had a great team! The minute he failed to make a tourney... go coach hunting.
1- Starts with Stans. He had control issues. That's on him
2- The AD had no idea what he was going to do. If you were going to fire Stans, then you should have known who you wanted and had them hired. He gave little time for ANY COACH to come in and keep the players and then recruit. Once he decided to make the move, it took him 3 years to find somebody!
3- I was against the hire and do not feel he is a good coach nor recruiter. So far, he has not proven me wrong. I hope he does though.
I think Stans should have been given a firm "this year or your done" to see what he could have done. He would have most certainly had a great team! The minute he failed to make a tourney... go coach hunting.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:00 pm to engie
Yeah and it kinda sucks because as you said the Hump is actually pretty nice on the inside.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:01 pm to darkhorse
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I think Stans should have been given a firm "this year or your done" to see what he could have done. He would have most certainly had a great team! The minute he failed to make a tourney... go coach hunting.
He was. In 2011.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:04 pm to engie
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He was. In 2011.
I am referring to the year after sidney. Ray's first year.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:11 pm to darkhorse
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I am referring to the year after sidney. Ray's first year.
So how many "last chances" did he deserve?
He was told after 2011 to do whatever it takes -- but he needed to make the tournament with what we had coming in and coming back in 2012. We had 2 4* and a 5* freshman, Bost, Steele, Bryant, Lewis, Moultrie, Sidney, need I keep going? The 2012 team had Elite 8 talent. And it went one and done in the NIT.
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