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re: Miles named worst coach in college FB
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:53 am to 7thWardTiger
Posted on 6/29/11 at 12:53 am to 7thWardTiger
If it is so easy to win at LSU, why in the world does Miles, if he is such an idiot have the best record in the over 100 year history of LSU football, a least over more than one or two seasons? He has more top 10 finishes and the best bowl record of any LSU coach. His winning percentage at LSU is exceeded in the SEC only by a very small number of coaches since the late 40s (Neyland, Bryant, and Spurrier at UF). Why is it that until Saban came along, LSU was regarded as a basically mediocre program? Of course everyone recognized there has always been a solid base of in-state talent, but no one had been able to achieve much with it consistently until Saban and Miles. Arnsbarger didn't stay long enough, and most other coaches squandered the opportunities. If Miles is a potted plant, what must the other coaches have been? Good programs without good coaches generally take a nose dive (e.g., Notre Dame, Bama, Miami, as recent examples). LSU hasn't taken a nose dive under Miles. So despite the quirks, the record speaks for itself, and apparently he is a darn strong coach.
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Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:12 am to memphisplaya
he's definitely not one of the best, but there's no way in hell he's the worst. he's just an average coach.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:16 am to tigerinridgeland
Saban built the program. Miles inherited a ton of talent and is the beneficiary of the increase in program prestige that Saban brought, thus allowing for the attraction of more elite talent. The talent he brings in however seem to continually underachieve relative to their ability and don't develop the way they should at an elite program, leaving fans wanting more.
Add this to the fact that he has so many questionable end- game decisions, especially with clock management, along with being unusually fortunate on many occasions leads to the perception that Miles is a lucky, but mediocre, head coach.
Add this to the fact that he has so many questionable end- game decisions, especially with clock management, along with being unusually fortunate on many occasions leads to the perception that Miles is a lucky, but mediocre, head coach.
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 1:35 am
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:18 am to stevo1905
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Saban built the program. Miles inherited a ton of talent and is the beneficiary of the increase in program prestige that Saban brought, thus allowing for the attraction of more elite talent. The talent he brings in however seem to continually underachieve relative to their ability and don't develop the way they should at an elite program, leaving fans wanting more.
i agree with a lot of what you said, but some of the players choose the play for miles because he's one of the few genuine coaches out there and actually cares about them.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:30 am to parks
It's funny. When people look at Les Miles, they focus on his shortcomings but it's almost always the wrong shortcomings. They make fun of his speech, his time management and his gameday blunders but those issues really aren't the problems. The biggest problem with Miles is that LSU's offenses have perennially underachieved or completely tanked under his watch. I believe the only time, Miles has given his offensive coordinator full autonomy was 2007 which is also the only year that LSU's offense was truly a force to be reckoned with. After he got more involved with their offense in late 2008, LSU's offense went from just bad to absolutely horrendous. Weren't LSU fans complaining about the offensive playcalling in 2005 and 2006? So it wasn't just a Gary Crowton thing either. Instead of always blaming the offensive coordinator, maybe LSU fans should start placing more blame on the head man in charge.
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 1:32 am
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:32 am to tigerinridgeland
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tigerinridgeland
great post
but im not sure why but i just cant buy the fact that his insane play calls (ir hail mary aginst Auburn down by two?) are good coaching decisions... Not a flame but it just seems like the ball always bounces LSU's way
only game I have seen LSU's luck turned on them was against Iowa, but the blocked extra pionts against Ole Miss and Oregon State a couple years ago are sheer dumb luck combined with great players.. LSU always seems to have a roster loaded with future NFL talent, but they seem to "underachieve" because of inconsistent QB play...
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:37 am to Bench McElroy
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They make fun of his speech
which is kind of inappropriate, considering he had a brain lesion and had to have brain surgery. i'm not a les miles fan, but it does piss me off when people make fun of the guy for it.
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maybe LSU fans should start placing more blame on the head man in charge.
i completely agree. i've always heard from people that miles is to blame for LSU's shitty offense.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:42 am to parks
If Perrilloux stays sane, we would have 2 more SEC championships, and we are probably not discussing this.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:47 am to RighteousTiger
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If Perrilloux stays sane, we would have 2 more SEC championships, and we are probably not discussing this.
If Alabama doesn't go through the Albert Means fiasco in 2000, resulting in probation, LSU's run doesn't happen. See how easy that is? The problem is, like Perrilloux being suspended, it did happen.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 1:59 am to CapstoneGrad06
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If Alabama doesn't go through the Albert Means fiasco in 2000, resulting in probation, LSU's run doesn't happen. See how easy that is? The problem is, like Perrilloux being suspended, it did happen.
But then Dubose wouldn't have been fired and there is no way that dumbass would have competed with Saban.
This is why "what if" scenarios don't work. The Perriloux one is the worst though, considering he hadn't exactly done anything prior to being kicked off the team to warrant LSU fans bemoaning the loss of championships due to his stupidity. It's not like if Tebow got kicked off UF's team after 2007 or anything, but they all act like it was exactly like that.
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 2:00 am
Posted on 6/29/11 at 2:02 am to memphisplaya
Posted on 6/29/11 at 2:10 am to dkreller
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here's LSU's response
Yea i read ATVS's response when he posted it. He pretty much tore the dude to shreds and is right on most of it, especially...
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First, who says "coaching doesn't matter?" I mean, other than these anonymous "people". You'd be hard-pressed to find a college football fan who would seriously argue that coaching doesn't matter. If coaching didn't matter, well, schools wouldn't be paying coaches such outrageous salaries. Coaching absolutely matters, and I don't know of anyone saying otherwise.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 2:10 am to Bench McElroy
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They make fun of his speech
I've never noticed his speech. What's wrong with it?
Posted on 6/29/11 at 7:43 am to memphisplaya
win baby win, haters gonna hate!!! 
Posted on 6/29/11 at 7:59 am to stevo1905
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Add this to the fact that he has so many questionable end- game decisions, especially with clock management
so many? Can you name me 5?
Posted on 6/29/11 at 8:09 am to memphisplaya
Sorry that I am late to the discussion, but this is one of the worst lists I have ever seen. Let me guess, the guess is from either the North East, or the West coast.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 8:09 am to Bench McElroy
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I believe the only time, Miles has given his offensive coordinator full autonomy was 2007 which is also the only year that LSU's offense was truly a force to be reckoned with. After he got more involved with their offense in late 2008, LSU's offense went from just bad to absolutely horrendous. Weren't LSU fans complaining about the offensive playcalling in 2005 and 2006? So it wasn't just a Gary Crowton thing either. Instead of always blaming the offensive coordinator, maybe LSU fans should start placing more blame on the head man in charge.
i believe you have been horribly misinformed
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 8:14 am
Posted on 6/29/11 at 8:17 am to Choctaw
I knew we got the right guy! Instead of getting the worst coach in college football, we got one in the top 10!
What a great job by our AD. This collegefootball pundit is alright by me
Posted on 6/29/11 at 8:18 am to geauxtigahs87
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Poor guy has to be a bitter Big East fan
Only way to explain the sheer idiocy of these rankings
I think the contributors at CFB pundit are connected to UF, USC (pre-Kiffin) and Ohio State. These guys definitely have a hard on for LSU. LSU is ranked in the Top 4 of every preseason poll I have seen and they aren't even in these guy's Top 10.
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 8:27 am
Posted on 6/29/11 at 8:20 am to CapstoneGrad06
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If Alabama doesn't go through the Albert Means fiasco in 2000, resulting in probation, LSU's run doesn't happen.
Wow. Are you a consultant for Casey Anthony's defense team ? That sounds like some of the non sequiturs they are throwing out.
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