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re: McElwain overrated & glad to see him go
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:08 pm to Gumpalicious
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:08 pm to Gumpalicious
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Over that four year period, Alabama was 96th in the country in touchdown percentage in the redzone, scoring touchdowns on only 55.7% of the time. That was 11th worst in the SEC, better than only Vandy
So the players aren't responsible for any of that? Good thing universities don't listen to fans or McElwain might not be a head coach right now.
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Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:09 pm to tuck
When your successful as Bama's been last few years people expect perfection...so it becomes with them all about the coach not performing instead of just maybe the players did not execute. Let's don't ever become the type of fans (corn dogs) that turn on a dime eat their own...
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:14 pm to tuck
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:16 pm to Gumpalicious
How's it been going, bench?
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:35 pm to Gumpalicious
If that is what you have to do to make yourself feel better about losing one hell of a coordinator.....then do it.
but...
If you really feel that way about this then you are a delusional fan and you would probably fit in better with alot of our fans over here
but...
If you really feel that way about this then you are a delusional fan and you would probably fit in better with alot of our fans over here
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:45 pm to Gumpalicious
The coaching continuity has been important to Bama during their run. That continuity will be missed.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:46 pm to slayerxing
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The coaching continuity has been important to Bama during their run. That continuity will be missed.
That's what some said when Kevin Steele left, among others. We have the goose that lays the Golden Eggs.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 12:50 pm to Beer Bryant
One assistant coach isn't so bad, Alabama has lost a lot this year. They're going to be great as long as Saban is there, but losing a lot of coaches always hurts a bit.
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:36 pm to slayerxing
1 coordinator and 1 position coach 
Or did I miss something?
Or did I miss something?
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:41 pm to AUCE05
bench mcelroy is unbiased bama fan in case you couldn't tell by the exquisitely titled threads
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:47 pm to Gumpalicious
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Gumpalicious
It is clear from your rant and the conclusion you drew from the research that you do not know shite about the game of football. The reason our redzone offense has sucked for several years is a blend of several things.
Yes, Coach McElwain's play calling does have a part in it but the issue is much deeper. The best redzone offense we have had was Cody lead left and the plya off of that of Cody5 (play action pass to the right). A play such as Cody5 can not be used often.
Our offense philosophy is predicated on slow read zone blocking with the RB pressing the hole. LSU and Auburn both understood the system and have had the personnel/system that allowed them to negate the effectiveness with d-line push in the middle. With the reduced area on the goal line when the d-line clogs the middle then the RB cannot make his first cut "in the hole" and the edge rush gets to the RB before he can get to speed.
In the redzone, man-up blocking with quick hit run plays and a lead block to pop a crease works best if your system is not designed to rush on the edge. The issues above predate the arrival of CJM in Tuscaloosa and is a concern CJM never had to face prior to coming to the SEC but I do think his use of the Cody lead and the QB sneak does show he understood the problem.
If the problem predated CJM then who would you guess chose the style of offense he was running/calling when he came here?
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:47 pm to tuck
NUSS BUS!!! i like!!
Posted on 1/21/12 at 1:59 pm to tuck
What did Bench Mc get run for?
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:19 am to T Rey WI
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T Rey WI
Rant? I would hardly call that a rant. If you believe that is a rant then you need thicker skin.
My thread title was too strong. I shouldn't have said I was happy to see him go; instead I should have said that I'm excited to see what Nuss can do.
During McElroy's slump in the middle of the 09 season (South Carolina, Tennessee, LSU), Saban commented on the effectiveness of the offense in the redzone. He stated that it all became a lack of execution. I've heard him make that same assertion several times over the years.
Well, over that time period every single person has changed except for Saban and McElwain. I don't think you can continue to blame it on execution.
I understand the offense has seen significant improvement under McElwain. That's obvious. But it would be homerific to attribute Alabama's 48-6 record over that time to McElwain. Defense, and talent on the field, were at least as important.
And McElwain's coordination of the greatest 4 years of scoring in Alabama history does not make him impervious to critical analysis. I think even Saban would agree with that. The offensive production within the redzone was a weakness, or in corporate terms, an "opportunity". An improved redzone TD percentage could make the offense lethal.
I don't think anything I've said here is unreasonable.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:26 am to Gumpalicious
for a guy that is overrated yall have been pretty productive on offense and his nc game plan was masterful.
then again gary did have a great nc game plan in 07 but i give jim the edge since his was against a legit team
then again gary did have a great nc game plan in 07 but i give jim the edge since his was against a legit team
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:33 am to heartbreakTiger
McElwain had some absolutely great gameplans and some phenomenal games as a playcaller.
In his tenure, he had a Heisman winner, another Heisman finalist, *two* Outland trophy winners, two left tackles that went in the first round, and possibly the greatest receiver to ever play at Alabama. 96th in the nation, in aggregate over 4 years, is a number that does not match the talent on the field.
In his tenure, he had a Heisman winner, another Heisman finalist, *two* Outland trophy winners, two left tackles that went in the first round, and possibly the greatest receiver to ever play at Alabama. 96th in the nation, in aggregate over 4 years, is a number that does not match the talent on the field.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:34 am to Gumpalicious
This is highly ridiculous. His offense just scored 21 points on one of the best defenses that was second only to Bama's in the country. McElwain's offenses helped win two NC's and was very productive. Don't let the redzone failures overshadow the overall accomplishments he brought to Bama.
48-6 in 4 yrs. Yeah, sure the man sucks
and I don't even like Bama, but you have to call it like you see it. You fall way short of that.
48-6 in 4 yrs. Yeah, sure the man sucks
and I don't even like Bama, but you have to call it like you see it. You fall way short of that.Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:35 am to heartbreakTiger
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for a guy that is overrated yall have been pretty productive on offense and his nc game plan was masterful.
Exactly. He kept it simple with power running most of the time but what OC wouldn't with Ingram and Trent in the backfield? He showed that he could adapt (at least the second time) and throw down field on first down when faced with a defense that can shut down your running game like LSU did.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:39 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Don't let the redzone failures overshadow the overall accomplishments he brought to Bama.
That's the antithesis of my point. I don't think his accomplishments should give him a free ride in regards to the redzone issues. No one, not even Saban (oh my god!!!), is beyond criticism.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:41 am to Gumpalicious
Say what? 
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