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re: LSU fans: Would you trade Les Miles for Gus Malzahn?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:10 am to Mizzou to my Lou
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:10 am to Mizzou to my Lou
um. DUH
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:11 am to SwaggerCopter
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Coaches can help players execute by coaching then up and putting them in advantageous situations.
Yes, but is that really on coordinators and head coach, or is that on position coaches. LSU has played with multiple fronts and players are failing to execute on all levels. During almost every one of Auburns big plays, there was someone in position to limit the damage. They either took a bad angle, whiffed on a tackle, or sat back and watched it happen.
If this team doesn't improve, we're going to have to evaluate a lot of position coaches.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:11 am to smooth99
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let's see how Les rebuilds after losing all those underclassmen over the past few years to the draft.
This is the biggest factor. For the first time in a long time other teams have more experienced and in some cases more talented players than LSU. Losing the amount of players to the draft and graduation as LSU did would be a problem for any program to deal with.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:15 am to Mizzou to my Lou
No. I want Les to stay as long as he wants to be here. He's earned it. frick everybody else who wants him gone. He's our coach, warts and all.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:18 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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This is the biggest factor. For the first time in a long time other teams have more experienced and in some cases more talented players than LSU. Losing the amount of players to the draft and graduation as LSU did would be a problem for any program to deal with.
Bingo.
LSU has athletes that could do very well and be in position to win a lot of games if the coaching staff would utilize their talent and put them into positions to make plays.
But we don't do that, and as a result (combined with players leaving early), we can no longer out-athlete other teams like we've been able to do in the past.
I think we could have made a much better effort in recruiting our existing players to stay, and maybe we wouldn't be in this position.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 10:20 am
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:31 am to Mizzou to my Lou
In a few years we may know that question. Right now, no. Les has always had top notch recruiting and has always had an amazing defense. Gus is only in his second year. Right now I would say no but in the future possibly
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:31 am to Mizzou to my Lou
no
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:39 am to smooth99
Gus is a good coach, but I like Miles. The 2014 LSU Tigers are who true fans thought they were. Young, inexperienced, and probably a 7-5 team.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:47 am to TexasAg13
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It's ridiculous to blame Les. Y'all have lost +/- 20 underclassmen to the draft over the past two years. No one can repeatedly overcome that.
Well Les recruits the 3 year player, pitches the players on 3 years, and actively supports his Juniors entering the draft and celebrates them every year.
You can't use it as an excuse when you do it on purpose. If you're never going to have an experienced group again, then you have to coach to inexperience, and Les doesn't do that. We run i form under center, when there aren't any serious HS QBs left that aren't playing in the gun. Our RBs have mostly run out of spread sets, and our WRS are being asked to run sophisticated combo routes. It's in complete opposition to the youth movement that Les is actively supporting.
This conference is light years away from where it was philosophically in 2011, and there is no evidence that Les is adapting to that change. LSU has been worse than the previous year for the third year running.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:48 am to Mo Jeaux
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Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Coaches can help players execute by coaching then up and putting them in advantageous situations.
Which is one thing LSU appears to be lacking. And it's not a new development.
2013 says hi.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:50 am to sta4ever
Les has had bad offense 70% of the time, and bad defense 30%.
He's had one year of competent QB play with players that he recruited. He's had 12 scholarship QBs during that time.
He's had one year of competent QB play with players that he recruited. He's had 12 scholarship QBs during that time.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:51 am to Mizzou to my Lou
In an absolute heartbeat.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:52 am to sjmabry
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Young, inexperienced
Guess again.
We returned both starting DE's, a DT who played a lot (LaCouture), experience at LB (Welter, Kwon, Louis) and everyone in the secondary (Robinson, Mills, Collins, White, Martin, Jefferson, Thompson, Thomas).
Our defense is experienced.
Yes we lost our QB, top RB, and top 2 WR's. But we returned 4 starting OL, TE's and FB with experience, and 2 RB's with experience.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:53 am to TXGunslinger10
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This is the biggest factor. For the first time in a long time other teams have more experienced and in some cases more talented players than LSU. Losing the amount of players to the draft and graduation as LSU did would be a problem for any program to deal with.
Bingo.
LSU has athletes that could do very well and be in position to win a lot of games if the coaching staff would utilize their talent and put them into positions to make plays.
But we don't do that, and as a result (combined with players leaving early), we can no longer out-athlete other teams like we've been able to do in the past.
I think we could have made a much better effort in recruiting our existing players to stay, and maybe we wouldn't be in this position.
Our freshman qb was fumbling snaps, turning the wrong way and throwing it over receivers heads. And you want him to execute a spread offense with multiple options? Do you even understand what you're saying?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:54 am to Mizzou to my Lou
Absolutely, but I'd prefer Mullen.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:58 am to Mizzou to my Lou
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Would you trade Les Miles for Gus Malzahn?
Why would you want that gimmicky high school offense that Chavis has the answer to?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:59 am to geauxjo
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Our freshman qb was fumbling snaps, turning the wrong way and throwing it over receivers heads. And you want him to execute a spread offense with multiple options? Do you even understand what you're saying?
Our freshman QB had never played under center before he got to LSU. He's played a lot more football in offenses that resemble Auburn's than LSU's.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:03 am to CrippleCreek
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Well Les recruits the 3 year player, pitches the players on 3 years, and actively supports his Juniors entering the draft and celebrates them every year.
You can't use it as an excuse when you do it on purpose. If you're never going to have an experienced group again, then you have to coach to inexperience, and Les doesn't do that. We run i form under center, when there aren't any serious HS QBs left that aren't playing in the gun. Our RBs have mostly run out of spread sets, and our WRS are being asked to run sophisticated combo routes. It's in complete opposition to the youth movement that Les is actively supporting.
This conference is light years away from where it was philosophically in 2011, and there is no evidence that Les is adapting to that change. LSU has been worse than the previous year for the third year running.
My guess is this is the pitch if they're ready. A number of guys have been ready.
Y'all have also lost a ton of guys that weren't ready, and I would venture to say Les tried to persuade to stay. IMO, anyone drafted after the 3rd round as an underclassmen should stay in school.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:05 am to geauxjo
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Our freshman qb was fumbling snaps, turning the wrong way and throwing it over receivers heads. And you want him to execute a spread offense with multiple options? Do you even understand what you're saying?
What part of my post made you think I was talking about the QB?
And plus, all the things you mentioned are in-game correctable things, that did not appear to be addressed Saturday.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:57 am to CrippleCreek
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Posted by CrippleCreek quote: Our freshman qb was fumbling snaps, turning the wrong way and throwing it over receivers heads. And you want him to execute a spread offense with multiple options? Do you even understand what you're saying? Our freshman QB had never played under center before he got to LSU. He's played a lot more football in offenses that resemble Auburn's than LSU's.
So had he not been under center he'd not have been scared spitless? It wasn't the offense it's his maturity and experience. He's just a kid. Mett was a junior and the difference in year one and year two was tremendous.
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