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re: LSU fans, do you miss Chavis?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Chavis wanted his salary guaranteed past 2016, LSU as a matter of principle wasn't willing to do that for ANY of the assistants on staff at this time. It doesn't take Jerry McGuire to figure out why Alleva would take that position and it isn't about :being cheap"
Yeah, I agree with this.
If it was about being cheap, they wouldn't have offered him $1.8 million per year on his way out the door.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It doesn't take Jerry McGuire to figure out why Alleva would take that position and it isn't about :being cheap"
Sure it's about being cheap. Chavis wanted so much salary guaranteed, Joe wanted less. Because he is cheap.
What else would it be about? Chavis's hygiene offended Joe so much he wanted to run him off?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Chavis wanted his salary guaranteed past 2016, LSU as a matter of principle wasn't willing to do that for ANY of the assistants on staff at this time. It doesn't take Jerry McGuire to figure out why Alleva would take that position and it isn't about "being cheap"
I wonder if it makes him sleep better at night they are paying top dollar in the nation for a DC who has by far the worst run defense in the conference.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:31 pm to cardboardboxer
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What else would it be about?
Not having to pay 20 million+ in buyout money like Auburn did with Chiz.
You really aren't very sophisticated about this kind of stuff, are you?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:33 pm to cardboardboxer
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Sure it's about being cheap. Chavis wanted so much salary guaranteed, Joe wanted less. Because he is cheap.
So if you wanted a 25% raise at your place of employment and they wouldnt give it you, does that mean they are being cheap or you're just worth that much?
Chavis wasn't worth what he was asking, bottom line. He compiled nothing at LB for us the last couple years and his defense just continued to slip.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:35 pm to thunderbird1100
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He has been written off as a horrible recruiter YEARS ago. Tennessee fans were telling us he was a shitty recruiter when he was hired at LSU.
So if you could pick from any of the realistic candidates for DC, who would you pick? I believe you already stated Steele wasn't the answer.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:36 pm to thunderbird1100
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It's been as good the last decade and a half, and that's really all that matters right now.
Soooooooo
Your argument is because Ohio St has had a solid program since the 1950s, LSU (which at best has only been on Ohio St's level for a decade) is pretty much guaranteed the same results.
Someone at Texas in 2013 thought the same as you. They were wrong.
Someone at Michigan in 2007 thought the same as you. They were wrong.
You could be 100% correct. LSU could beat the odds and be more like Ohio St. than the other 24 programs in the top 25 of college football history.
Or LSU could be like the other 24 programs and experience a downcycle. I apologize if those odds seem more likely to me.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:37 pm to thunderbird1100
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So if you wanted a 25% raise at your place of employment and they wouldnt give it you, does that mean they are being cheap or you're just worth that much?
Depends on how much leverage I have. If I know they are going to replace me with a Kevin Steele then the answer is they are being cheap.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Not having to pay 20 million+ in buyout money like Auburn did with Chiz.
If Joe isn't cheap then why does the buyout matter? LSU can afford almost any buyout.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:38 pm to rockiee
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So if you could pick from any of the realistic candidates for DC, who would you pick? I believe you are stated Steele wasn't the answer.
Right now we will have Steele because he's doing what Chavis couldn't and that's recruit. That's by far what we need right now. Unless we can get a guy who can recruit and coach at a high level we need to ride Steele out and give him time to rebuild the LB corps form the mess Chavis left. Steele from the beginning was a "oh shite we need someone so if we gotta get someone let's get a recruiter" hire.
Steele has secured 2 Top 100 overall LBs his first year here. Chavis took 6 years to do that, and 1 of the 2 ended up busting and transferring out after 1 season. the other he STARTED at DE instead of LB.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:38 pm to cardboardboxer
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Or LSU could be like the other 24 programs and experience a downcycle. I apologize if those odds seem more likely to me.
Why do you think the only two options are hiring the next Nick Saban or hiring the next Curley Hallman?
I would be very happy with someone who wins about as much as Miles does, but in the process puts an offense out on the field that isn't like watching paint dry and just generally injects some enthusiasm back into the program.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:38 pm to thunderbird1100
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I wonder if it makes him sleep better at night they are paying top dollar in the nation for a DC who has by far the worst run defense in the conference.
Two things:
1. It isn't top dollar, Coach Boom gets top dollar.
2. I am pretty happy, A&M's defense is doing better overall. Hence the thread.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:39 pm to cardboardboxer
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If Joe isn't cheap then why does the buyout matter? LSU can afford almost any buyout.
There' a difference between being smart with your money and being cheap.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:43 pm to BrerTiger
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Les will leave someday. That much is certain.
Sure. Yall will HAVE TO roll the dice one day.
And I can see good reason to want to roll it soon, that way if (when) the next guy is a bust yall can replace him quickly. The name of the game is be a stable program when Saban retires.
I would just want Joe fired first if am a LSU fan.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:44 pm to cardboardboxer
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Your argument is because Ohio St has had a solid program since the 1950s, LSU (which at best has only been on Ohio St's level for a decade) is pretty much guaranteed the same results.
A decade and a half, which last I checked is a pretty long time. Not like a flash in the pan year or few years.
Ohio State in my example is to show it's not impossible to hire a string of good coaches over DECADES. Yet you think it's much more likely (in fact almost guarantee...) we hire a dud than a success after we just hired another success after Saban. It could certainly go either way, but it's hardly winning the lottery to hire a good coach, especially if we hired a guy who's only HC experience was at Oklahoma State and it pretty much 4 years of mediocrity and he comes here only to win some SEC titles, national title and have an undefeated season.
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Someone at Texas in 2013 thought the same as you. They were wrong.
Someone at Michigan in 2007 thought the same as you. They were wrong.
Almost everyone thought LSU was done after Saban left and we hired Miles too, how did that turn out again? just saying, it really isn't THAT difficult, as long as make the right hire. The thing at LSU is the talent is mostly just sitting here waiting for you to handle it. You have no competition for in-state recruits except mostly from Alabama, who only takes 1 or 2 guys a year on average. Lock down the state, be a decent coach, you have the keys to an engine that clearly has limits unbound.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:46 pm to cardboardboxer
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2. I am pretty happy, A&M's defense is doing better overall. Hence the thread.
Shows the expectation level there vs. here
But hey, dont worry, Chavis' recruiting will just get better players you need in for you
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Why do you think the only two options are hiring the next Nick Saban or hiring the next Curley Hallman?
Because your fanbase has made it clear yall are spoiled to the point where you aren't happy with what a Georgia has.
After the Bama loss, when yall still had the playoffs on the table, yall acted like the whole season was over. So did the team given the way they have played since then.
Yall have created a standard that its either national title or bust. That is a very hard act to follow.
Its natural, the same thing happened to Texas fans. They expected for 2005 to be every year. Now they would LOVE to have Mack Brown's nine win seasons back.
That is what it good about down cycles, it makes you appreciate the middle ground. LSU's fanbase isn't in the position right now to do that. Hence my skepticism.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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There' a difference between being smart with your money and being cheap.
Because paying Kevin Steele a million bucks to make your defense worse is being smart with your money. Sure.
Is Cam making $1.3 million Joe being smart with the money too?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:48 pm to Hugh McElroy
I mean, I miss having him.
With the way he left how he did, I wouldn't want him back. Kind of a scumbag.
With the way he left how he did, I wouldn't want him back. Kind of a scumbag.
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