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re: LSU facing Heisman Winners the last 10 Seasons.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:19 pm to chattabama
Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:19 pm to chattabama
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Henry didn't play 4th quarter.
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Henry was taken out with a quarter and a half to play vs ULM.
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Only legit bad game was against Arky.
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Only played 1.5 quarters against Charleston Southern.
This is what the idiot LSU fans don't understand that the Heisman voters saw. He didnt accumulate stats against bad teams. Henry, for the most part shined when it mattered. And he damn sure never did the Heisman pose against Sam Houston St.
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:39 pm to Lsuchs
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I love the myth that Leonard only played well against bad teams. I guess if every team he ever laced up against besides bama was a bad team then sure.
Didn't play well against UF this year either, and that game was arguably more important to LSU's season than Bama. And injury is not an excuse -- if you insist on going in and playing, you accept the perception a bad performance leads to. He's a great player, but if you're going to use performance as a metric, and spend time arguing that he should get a pass for external factors, you have to agree to do it with all players, not just LF.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:49 pm to randomways
You realize he was not dressed for this game, convinced O to let him play, then re-injured his already injured ankle right?
He went for 140 then 180 against UF as a freshman and sophomore
To try and use this game as a measure of Fournettes talent is comical.
He went for 140 then 180 against UF as a freshman and sophomore
quote:nothing wrong with this, I would do it with all players
if you're going to use performance as a metric, and spend time arguing that he should get a pass for external factors, you have to agree to do it with all players, not just LF.
To try and use this game as a measure of Fournettes talent is comical.
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:51 pm to Lsuchs
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You realize he was not dressed for this game, convinced O to let him play, then re-injured his already injured ankle right?
He went for 140 then 180 against UF as a freshman and sophomore
Yes, I realize that. I even referenced it specifically in my post. Don't let my efforts be in vain.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:53 pm to randomways
Your effort will be in vain because you are trying to judge a player's talent off a game where he was not 100%, could not finish due to injury (12 carries), and against a team he dominated both prior meetings when he was.
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 3:57 pm to Lsuchs
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Your effort will be in vain because you are trying to judge a player's talent off a game where he was not 100%, against a team he dominated both prior meetings when he was.
I did no such thing. I even made the exact opposite argument, contrasting ability with performance. My efforts are in vain because you aren't willing to actually pay attention to what I'm saying.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:12 pm to randomways
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I did no such thing. I even made the exact opposite argument, contrasting ability with performance. My efforts are in vain because you aren't willing to actually pay attention to what I'm saying.
If you had read my post you originally responded to maybe we would be on the same page. Instead you make an irrelevant argument I already addressed.
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he had great games against every team not named bama
If going off of SO and JR year his worst non bama game (he didn't leave w injury) was a 90+ yard performance on 16 carries against Arkansas? Identical to Heisman Henry that year.
You tell me he didn't play great against UF this year
No shite he had a bad performance in a game he carried 12 times while injured and could not finish because he worsened his injury.
You tell me injury is irrelevant
^ That is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:18 pm to BamaSaint
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Henry didn't play 4th quarter.
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Henry was taken out with a quarter and a half to play vs ULM.
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Only legit bad game was against Arky.
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Only played 1.5 quarters against Charleston Southern."
This is what the idiot LSU fans don't understand that the Heisman voters saw. He didnt accumulate stats against bad teams. Henry, for the most part shined when it mattered. And he damn sure never did the Heisman pose against Sam Houston St.
No we understand perfectly.
Fournette carried the ball 3x in the second half against auburn that year while averaging 12 yards a pop.
He had 19 for 227
Henry carried the ball 46x against auburn.
He had 46 for 271
What is your point? We rested Fournette against SEC competition while you padded Henry's stats?
We can pick and choose selective stats all day
Here's another one, vs UF 2015:
DH_44-189
LF_31-180
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:19 pm to Lsuchs
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You tell me injury is irrelevant
Since that paragraph was about LF vs Henry and the Heisman, yes, I'm going to tell you injury is irrelevant. Nobody wins the Heisman because they had an awful good excuse for not playing well. It's about performance, not ability.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:22 pm to jatebe
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LOL, why is Fournette even in a thread about heisman winners. He wasn't even invited to New York.
LOL ask Chattabama, he's the one who first brought him up on page 1.
Isn't he an Alabama fan?
Bringing up Fournette in a Heisman thread?
In a thread about LSU, started by another Alabama fan?
LOL, indeed.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:27 pm to randomways
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Since that paragraph was about LF vs Henry and the Heisman, yes, I'm going to tell you injury is irrelevant. Nobody wins the Heisman because they had an awful good excuse for not playing well. It's about performance, not ability
Well it absolutely was not. It was in response to posters saying Fournette only performed well against mediocre teams. I responded he has had great performances against every team he has ever played minus bama. I never once have mentioned he deserved the heisman, just argued he was the most talented back that year
So we both misunderstood each other.
No harm no foul
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 5:28 pm to bayourougebengal
When I get time I will list the defensive rushing rank for half of boogers games that year. 
It's pitiful.
It's pitiful.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:13 pm to cajunbama
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When I get time I will list the defensive rushing rank for half of boogers games that year.
It's pitiful.
Your schedule was so much different...? and I wonder if having to play Henry and Fournette as 1/6 of your schedule had anything to do with that?
What was our best common opponent rush D: UF, Ark, OM?
UF
Henry 44-189-1
Fournette 31-180-2
Ark
Henry 27-95-1
Fournette 19-91-1
OM
Henry 23-127-1
Fournette 25-108-0
Henry 94-411-3__4.37 YPC
Fournette 75-379-3__5 YPC
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:25 pm to Lsuchs
Henry played 4 top 10 defenses. He averaged 164 YPG. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:27 pm to JuiceTerry
Henry was a very good player on a great team. No one denies that
It is ok with you if there is a better player at one position on LSUs roster?
Because Fournette will have been higher ranked, had better college #s, been higher drafted, and will have a better pro career.
It's it that unfathomable to you that Fournette is better than Derrick Henry?
Henry:
Fournette:
It is ok with you if there is a better player at one position on LSUs roster?
Because Fournette will have been higher ranked, had better college #s, been higher drafted, and will have a better pro career.
It's it that unfathomable to you that Fournette is better than Derrick Henry?
Henry:
Fournette:
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:34 pm to Lsuchs
Not really. But Henry had a better season in 2015, Fournette's best season.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:35 pm to TigerFan4040
Not really. The teams with heisman winners can't say that. Then the east that doesn't always play them.
Consolation prize as obviously we'd that the heisman over that but IJS
Consolation prize as obviously we'd that the heisman over that but IJS
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:38 pm to JuiceTerry
congrats. Henry had a better 15 game season than Fournette had 12 game season. With less stats in every per game category than Fournette besides carriers per game, Henry had +1
I'm not arguing the heisman trophy. There is no way to give that to Fournette over Henry the way our seasons played out. I'm arguing Fournette is/was/will be the better back
I'm not arguing the heisman trophy. There is no way to give that to Fournette over Henry the way our seasons played out. I'm arguing Fournette is/was/will be the better back
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 9:54 pm to Lsuchs
Booger played the 128th and dead last rushing defense in Eastern Michigan, 127th in Texas Tech, 100th in USCe, 92nd in Syracuse, and WKU.
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