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re: Lsu AD - other SEC AD's aren't being fair.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:55 pm to randomways
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:55 pm to randomways
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But if they operate like the NCAA basketball committee, which seems likely, then the dynamic changes enormously. Instead of a bunch of harried SIDs glancing at the scores inbetween meetings, we'll have a group of people dedicated specifically to evaluating teams and schedules and, just as importantly, discussing their evaluations with others. That tends to make for detail-oriented analysis. Keep in mind that the basketball committee just kept a ranked team out of the tourney because they didn't think the RPI was good enough. There's ample reason to assume a football committee will be equally unforgiving of playing creampuffs, win or lose.
That would be the optimum result, but given that many of the people who are to comprise the committee have a heavy football background, I wouldn't bet against them defaulting to the anti-loss bias that they've known all their professional lives.
And even if SOS becomes the primary factor in the committee's decision, the SEC schools can still be in a comfortable position if we all just make sure to schedule at least one marquee opponent (at least another P5 conference opponent) every year. That plus the normal SEC schedule should be sufficient.
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:02 pm to MetryTyger
you should apply for a job in Alleva's office. He can have you handle the schedule issues for him. Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:02 pm to TeLeFaWx
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People don't understand that the SEC won't get left out of the playoff and it won't get two teams in. 8 games, 9 games, it makes no difference. It's a zero sum game. What 9 games does it force ADs to have more exciting matchups, and less double directionals. There is a chronic problem that scheduling too many power puffs is going to create, and I hope someone like Slive with common sense forces the SEC to go to 9 games even when coaches and ADs bitch. Remember, they all bitched about the SEC Championship Game for the same reason they're bitching about 9 games.
If the SEC can get two teams in the BCS championship game (a rematch, no less), I don't see why it would be impossible to get two in a four-team field. I realize that the make-up of the selection committee is regionally diverse on purpose, but if they really do their job in picking the four strongest teams, that will sometimes mean two SEC teams.
And if the playoffs ever expand past 4, perhaps to 8 teams, the SEC will be sending two teams more often than not.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:14 pm to TeLeFaWx
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What 9 games does it force ADs to have more exciting matchups, and less double directionals. There is a chronic problem that scheduling too many power puffs is going to create, and I hope someone like Slive with common sense forces the SEC to go to 9 games even when coaches and ADs bitch. Remember, they all bitched about the SEC Championship Game for the same reason they're bitching about 9 games.
^^^This...
The Pac-12 has been playing a 9-game conference schedule for 6 or 7 years now and the Big 10 will be goin' to a 9-game schedule starting in 2016, I believe. Regardless of what you think of those conferences, that will give them a leg up with the committee come play-off time, with not only selection but seeding as well...especially since I think the committee, similar to basketball, will give more credence to strength of schedule as opposed to polls...
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:29 pm to Mirthomatic
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That would be the optimum result, but given that many of the people who are to comprise the committee have a heavy football background, I wouldn't bet against them defaulting to the anti-loss bias that they've known all their professional lives.
And even if SOS becomes the primary factor in the committee's decision, the SEC schools can still be in a comfortable position if we all just make sure to schedule at least one marquee opponent (at least another P5 conference opponent) every year. That plus the normal SEC schedule should be sufficient.
It's always possible that the committee will become a hotbed of corruption. It's not like the basketball committee is all that and a bag of Chippewas. But the biases do tend to be subverted when you have to justify your choice to others rather than just mailing it in.
It's not so much a question of what the SEC does as what other conferences do. The B1G and Pac 10 are already moving in the direction of 9 game conference schedules, which means, even with the SEC traditional strength, it could be left behind in a tight race. If you have a Michigan State that played a 9 game conference schedule plus a marquee OOC and an LSU that played an 8 game OOC plus one marquee OOC, the SEC version is going to be one game short of the B1G's resume even with the potential differences in conference RPI.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:31 pm to randomways
Reminder that LSU may leave the SEC at any time and the other SEC schools may kick a member out with 75% of the vote.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:33 pm to Alahunter
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want six permanent and two rotating opponents.
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doesn't want a nine-game SEC schedule.
Compromise and go to a 6-1-2 format...9 games but 2 rotating opponents.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:34 pm to NGATiger
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An extra loss means more than an extra win. He is stating how once the playoff starts we could potentially just knock SEC teams out of it entirely if we are playing more games that the rest of the country doesn't have to worry about.
Same thing was said in 1992
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:35 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Compromise and go to a 6-1-2 format...9 games but 2 rotating opponents.
I believe that would be the plan with a 9 game schedule
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:37 pm to MetryTyger
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Ahhhhh, yes. That's right. He's a bitch.
But """""""IF"""""":
* The SEC Offices were located on Poydras Street in downtown New Orleans,
* The Head of SEC Officiating, the Head of SEC Scheduling, and the Head Replay Official in the SECCG were ALL graduates of Louisiana State,
* LSU managed to secure a high-school schedule every year,
* A certain SEC school in Baton Rouge maintained high school head coaches in other states to "handle" upcoming 4 and 5 star recruits in said states,
* That certain school also funneled gifts and cash and merchandise and memberships to recruits, players and their families through 'underground, under-the-radar' booster clubs that the NCAA was oblivious to or even turned a blind eye to,
Then you Skoal-Drip-Chin Rosy-Neck Things (as well as other SEC fans) would """bitch""" also........
Cue the 'you mad bro' and 'butthurt' replies by the Skoal-Juice Chin Things, which of course is your opinion.
But you are trying to diffuse the truth - that everything about your program stinks to high heaven, apparently with the NCAA's blessing.
And that's a shame.
Whoa.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:37 pm to StopRobot
It's coming anyway, regardless of what the coaches want. That would solve so many problems.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:41 pm to Alahunter
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The only hope for change is for the (SEC) presidents to realize it's not an equitable schedule.
It's not. It's why the division should be the only thing that counts to get into the Championship game.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:49 pm to MetryTyger
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But """""""IF"""""":
* The SEC Offices were located on Poydras Street in downtown New Orleans,
* The Head of SEC Officiating, the Head of SEC Scheduling, and the Head Replay Official in the SECCG were ALL graduates of Louisiana State,
* LSU managed to secure a high-school schedule every year,
* A certain SEC school in Baton Rouge maintained high school head coaches in other states to "handle" upcoming 4 and 5 star recruits in said states,
* That certain school also funneled gifts and cash and merchandise and memberships to recruits, players and their families through 'underground, under-the-radar' booster clubs that the NCAA was oblivious to or even turned a blind eye to,
Then you Skoal-Drip-Chin Rosy-Neck Things (as well as other SEC fans) would """bitch""" also........
Cue the 'you mad bro' and 'butthurt' replies by the Skoal-Juice Chin Things, which of course is your opinion.
But you are trying to diffuse the truth - that everything about your program stinks to high heaven, apparently with the NCAA's blessing.
And that's a shame.
How on Earth did Bama manage to lose 5 straight to LSU?
How on Earth did Bama manage to end up with severe NCAA penalties in the early 2000s?
Also.... meet Larry Templeton.....he's the SEC schedule guru and a graduate of Miss St. Assume he is the one who gave LSU a visit from UK as their second SEC East opponent this year
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:56 pm to StopRobot
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:56 pm to Duke
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It's why the division should be the only thing that counts to get into the Championship game.
Will never happen. Out of division games will mean as much in SEC standings as playing Akron.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:58 pm to StopRobot
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Will never happen. Out of division games will mean as much in SEC standings as playing Akron.
Thought cross divisional games were about rivalries staying intact? If out of division games did not matter towards SEC-w standings, the system would be fine. As is.. it rewards Alabama for playing Kentucky, Tennessee, and Vandy.. while LSU possibly gets dinged for playing UGA, South Carolina, Florida.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:00 pm to StopRobot
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Out of division games will mean as much in SEC standings as playing Akron.
Still matters for the selection committee. Not to mention it would have to be in the tiebreaker scenario tree. It's the only fair way to do it. If you're ok with an unfair system for other reasons, I can understand that. It's not like it's THAT unfair. Division only is the only method for having a fair road to the SEC championship.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:05 pm to bmy
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:06 pm to Duke
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Not to mention it would have to be in the tiebreaker scenario tree.
Well how is that fair? Clearly the tie breaker will favor the schools that play the weaker out of division opponents
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:06 pm to Duke
just rotate the divisions with the roommate switch proposal. it keeps the rivalries Bama/UT, UGA/Auburn want so much and rotates everyone through the entire conference within only four years.
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