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re: Looking for opinions other than Bama fans: Is Kiffin a top 5 OC in the country?
Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:51 pm to jbond
Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:51 pm to jbond
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This is funny considering the large number of Auburn posters touting Gus as a supreme head coach after a single season as an SEC head coach and adding Sun Belt and SEC championships from his time as a coordinator to his resume.
Well that's different because...war eagle!!™
Fans can be homers sometimes. Kiffin has done an amazing job so far. If he can keep it up he might be the best OC in the conference.
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Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:53 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Is Kiffin a top 5 OC in the country?
No
Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:54 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
He can obviously coach offense with some talent
God help the program that hires him as a HC though
God help the program that hires him as a HC though
Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:55 pm to BoardReader
Thank you CraigBiggio, if he did he is not close to being a top 5 play caller. Hardly any work as an OC by himself. Even saying Sark did nothing and it was all Lane doesn't change the opinion. Anyone with an embarrassment of riches talent can look pretty good most of the time.
Not saying he doesn't know his trade at offense. If he keeps his mouth shut, he should be fine at Bama. If Bama loses to somebody 17-10, will it be the QBs fault or Kiffin's.
Not saying he doesn't know his trade at offense. If he keeps his mouth shut, he should be fine at Bama. If Bama loses to somebody 17-10, will it be the QBs fault or Kiffin's.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 12:56 pm to jbond
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This is funny considering the large number of Auburn posters touting Gus as a supreme head coach after a single season as an SEC head coach and adding Sun Belt and SEC championships from his time as a coordinator to his resume.
And I have never been one of those fans. So if your point is some fans say stupid things that have no factual basis, I would agree with you.
Kiffin isn't an elite OC at this time. Get back to me in a few years when there will be more data and it can actually be discussed.
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:00 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
No but he may be in the top 5 for the style he runs by virtue of there not being many who run it. That's not a knock either. Kiffin looks to be a capable OC, however, I'd caution any Bama fan that an OC working with Bama talent is always going to look good. That's just how good your recruits/players have been compared to everyone else. IOW, it's very hard to judge how good or bad he might be just on Bama.
That said, the knock on Kiffin has never been that he's an incompetent but that he's amoral, prone to cheating in rather dumb ways, and can act like a douche.
Then there's the inevitable destruction he always seems to cause sooner or later.
That said, the knock on Kiffin has never been that he's an incompetent but that he's amoral, prone to cheating in rather dumb ways, and can act like a douche.
Then there's the inevitable destruction he always seems to cause sooner or later.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:08 pm to jbond
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This is funny considering the large number of Auburn posters touting Gus as a supreme head coach after a single season as an SEC head coach and adding Sun Belt and SEC championships from his time as a coordinator to his resume.
Well thats not really a good comparison at all, but I will ask you this. Would you consider Dameyune Craig an elite OC?
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:10 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I wouldn't expect a lot of positive answers to this question. Ever since Kiffin was hired by Saban, a large number of opposing fans couldn't laugh hard enough. Crow doesn't go down all that well for most people.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:13 pm to Prof
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I'd caution any Bama fan that an OC working with Bama talent is always going to look good. That's just how good your recruits/players have been compared to everyone else. IOW, it's very hard to judge how good or bad he might be just on Bama.
This is true, but not entirely fair. Bama's offense wasn't exactly humming in years past under that guy who went to Colorado State. It did better under Nussmeier, but few people ever really credited Bama as a top-level offensive program. So having great talent helps, but it doesn't guarantee greatness in an OC. In any event, it's a moot point, really -- if Kiffin does well with the talent Bama gets, he's going to do well while at Bama, right? They'll still be getting the talent, after all, so there's a rhetorical tautology about the argument.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:15 pm to DaBama
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I wouldn't expect a lot of positive answers to this question. Ever since Kiffin was hired by Saban, a large number of opposing fans couldn't laugh hard enough. Crow doesn't go down all that well for most people.
Huh? Most of the answers are positive. They praise Kiffin's ability as an OC. That doesn't mean they have to go all-in on the question asked in the thread title.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:18 pm to jbond
quote:Most Auburn fans aren't claiming Gus supreme HC. But what he has done is impressive and he hasn't done anything to prove he isn't a great HC yet.
This is funny considering the large number of Auburn posters touting Gus as a supreme head coach after a single season as an SEC head coach and adding Sun Belt and SEC championships from his time as a coordinator to his resume.
Bama fans had Kiffin deemed great before he coached a game at Bama and despite him having yet to prove he can coach a top 25 offense without Sarakisian's help. He has yet to even play a team that won more than 6 games last year and now he's already up to top 5.
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:19 pm to jbond
quote:You realize there have been national publications that rank Malzahn anywhere from 1-4 in the SEC? It's not just Auburn posters on this website.
This is funny considering the large number of Auburn posters touting Gus as a supreme head coach after a single season as an SEC head coach and adding Sun Belt and SEC championships from his time as a coordinator to his resume.
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This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:19 pm to randomways
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Huh? Most of the answers are positive.
Most of the responses I've seen have been along the lines of "pump the brakes".
That is a fair and logical response by the way. Kiffin has shown that he can call a good game and that he can coach up a qb but he hasn't shown that he is an elite OC because that takes consistency and consistency is proven over time.
What I'm saying is that there are many fans that will be slow to give credit where it's due because of the stance they took when Kiffen was first hired.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:20 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
He wasn't the sole OC at USC and when he was the head coach their offense was abysmal.
He has done well so far at Bama, but its been 4 games.
I don't think he should be considered top 5 at the moment, so no.
He has done well so far at Bama, but its been 4 games.
I don't think he should be considered top 5 at the moment, so no.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:19 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Would say his stint at USC definitely means he isn't top 5. Their offense sucked under him and improved with interim coach after he left.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:19 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
No.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:24 pm to TheCaterpillar
Kiffin hasn't done anything that screams he was a bad hire - it looks like he's done a fine job with Blake Sims and he's slowly incorporating OJ Howard into the offense which is great IMO.
There's alot of football left to be played and I haven't seen an SEC defense that concerns me too much thusfar.
There's alot of football left to be played and I haven't seen an SEC defense that concerns me too much thusfar.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:32 pm to rebeloke
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Kiffin must interview well.
Let's be honest. His wifey gets him the j.o.b.s.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:34 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
He may be, I really don't know. I think he's good, whether he's exceptional or not is something we'll need more time to assess.
I'm just not seeing the same thing others are seeing from Alabama. Obviously the offense looks formidable, but with so many huge plays (and huge defensive lapses), especially over a limited period, I just don't know quite what we're dealing with yet.
Can I expect bubble screens and RB passes to account for 150 yards/game all year? Will Cooper get the same wide open long balls all season?
I just don't know, just like I don't think we know that Gurley is going to average 10 yards a carry all year. Doesn't mean I don't think he's good, and he may well be elite, but that type of success isn't usually sustained over the long haul, so we simply have to wait and see.
I don't think that is a put down to Bama or Kiffin (or Sims or Gurley, etc.)
I'm just not seeing the same thing others are seeing from Alabama. Obviously the offense looks formidable, but with so many huge plays (and huge defensive lapses), especially over a limited period, I just don't know quite what we're dealing with yet.
Can I expect bubble screens and RB passes to account for 150 yards/game all year? Will Cooper get the same wide open long balls all season?
I just don't know, just like I don't think we know that Gurley is going to average 10 yards a carry all year. Doesn't mean I don't think he's good, and he may well be elite, but that type of success isn't usually sustained over the long haul, so we simply have to wait and see.
I don't think that is a put down to Bama or Kiffin (or Sims or Gurley, etc.)
Posted on 9/24/14 at 2:38 pm to joeyb147
quote:The Aub fan is correct. The all time total offense record for a single day was 1973 vs. VT 833 yards (748 rushing) team record. The total for Alabama vs. Florida was 672.
Kiffin just lead the offense to set the Bama all time yardage gained in a single day, ever.quote:
Hmmm... might want to double check that.
But Kiffin helped a converted RB turned QB break the all time individual record for yardage gained in a single game. Blake Sims threw for 445 yards and 39 rushing yards for 484 total yards, breaking Scott Hunter's 457 total yard record vs. Auburn in 1969.
Cooper also broke a Bama record. Cooper led all receivers with 201 receiving yards and three touchdowns on 10 catches. In doing that, Cooper increased his career total to 20 touchdown catches, and he now holds the school record for receiving touchdowns for his career, passing Dennis Homan (1965-67) who previously held the record with 18.
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