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Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:44 am to CFBFAN1121
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So, were you watching the Skins' games during this streak to come to this conclusion, or did you just come up with something in your head to discredit the record?
You can watch a couple of Redskins games and read the scouting reports on Campbell and figure out that he would rather take a sack or throw the ball away than try to complete a tough pass.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:44 am to CFBFAN1121
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Nobody said it didn't mattered, just said it's stupid to bring up team accomplishments when talking about individual accomplishments.
So what you're saying is that Trent Dilfer was a great QB but Jason Campbell wasn't , right?
Dilfer has a super bowl, Campbell doesn't.
FIFY, Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I can't let you to start arguing for someone else mid-argument. This is about JC, not Marino.
Obviously there are exceptions to every rule. Jason Campbell is not one though. Sorry.
This post was edited on 4/25/10 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:46 am to Alahunter
Touche.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:48 am to Robot Santa
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So, were you watching the Skins' games during this streak to come to this conclusion, or did you just come up with something in your head to discredit the record?
You can watch a couple of Redskins games and read the scouting reports on Campbell and figure out that he would rather take a sack or throw the ball away than try to complete a tough pass.
Translation; No i didnt watch any games during the streak to come to this conclusion, I just came up with something to piss on the record.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:51 am to tuck
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FIFY, Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I can't let you to start arguing for someone else mid-argument. This is about JC, not Marino.
No, just showing you the dumbass logic you're using. Per your logic, a player isn't great unless he wins championships.
there are tons of non great players who have championships and tons of great players who don't have championships.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:54 am to CFBFAN1121
Jason Campbell isn't great. Sorry.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:58 am to Robot Santa
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No he isn't. The reason Campbell doesn't throw many INTs is because he is scared to take chances, not because he is an accurate passer or safe with the ball. If you add in fumbles he is pretty close to even between TDs and turnovers.
Actually his offensive line and receiving corps do not allow for deep passes that aren't risky. There is only so much a QB can do and the Skins screwed up their draft again this year so they are still 2 years away from doing much. The raiders didn't do perfect in the draft but they upgraded at every position.
JC at worst is an average QB in the NFL his stats back this statement up. His more recent passer ratings indicate he is at or just above average. When considering he ate the 4th most sacks in the league, some on him but most on their anemic offensive line and the fact Portis is not a premier RB. The raiders have a great running back tandem but needed some offensive linemen I'm not sold on their draft picks but they did upgrade and JC is a massive upgrade over JR.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:59 am to CFBFAN1121
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Translation; No i didnt watch any games during the streak to come to this conclusion, I just came up with something to piss on the record.
It isn't even a record. He came up short. Go to the MSB and ask any Redskins fans there what they think of Campbell. They will all tell you that he was afraid to take chances and as a result he never made plays. How many times did he lose a fumble during "the streak"? 8? 10? He is an average NFL QB on his best day. That's all there is to it.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:59 am to Alahunter
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Jason Campbell isn't great. Sorry.
Agreed
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:02 pm to CFBFAN1121
Jason Campbell SUCKS.......plain and simple
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:02 pm to CFBFAN1121
quote:Uh, I said there are obvious exceptions. There are exceptions to every rule. Marino being one of them. Barry Sanders is another. I can list more. I'm not arguing that and never would. It's dishonest on your part to imply that I'm arguing that. Speak specifically to what I'm saying or don't argue with me. That argument is not winnable, so quit trying to imply I am arguing that.
No, just showing you the dumbass logic you're using. Per your logic, a player isn't great unless he wins championships.
there are tons of non great players who have championships and tons of great players who don't have championships.
All I'm saying is that more often than not, if you win a championship, it is one of the most important determining factors as to whether one is considered great. Sure great stats help, but JC has this one unbelievable stat and you try to over inflate how good of a QB he is by comparing him to PM. JC is not a great quarterback and this stat that you've found means nothing right now.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:04 pm to Alahunter
Again. Show me where someone called him great in here. STFU.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:08 pm to tuck
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JC has this one unbelievable stat and you try to over inflate how good of a QB he is by comparing him to PM. JC is not a great quarterback and this stat that you've found means nothing right now
Dude, STFU, nobody has said JC was great, I'm not showing this stat 'over inflate' how good JC is.
I simply pointed out a stat that is remarkable on ANY level of football, especially the NFL.
Jesus you bammies are something else.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:14 pm to Robot Santa
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You can watch a couple of Redskins games and read the scouting reports on Campbell and figure out that he would rather take a sack or throw the ball away than try to complete a tough pass.
You are partially right. He is accurate whenever he throws any pass but he is too hesitant to be a good NFL qb. In his defense he has gotten better every single year, he didn't have any help with the Redskins and to top it off he had a washed up Chris Samuels protecting his blindside. After about the third or fourth time getting drilled in the back even the toughest and most elite of qb's will start feeling the footsteps.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:21 pm to CFBFAN1121
quote:Oh, well, that's a relief. Because he isn't a good NFL quarterback. At least we are in agreement with that. Sorry for the confusion.
nobody has said JC was great, I'm not showing this stat 'over inflate' how good JC is.
This post was edited on 4/25/10 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:23 pm to marshallcotiger
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In his defense he has gotten better every single year
Unless.. of course.. you use the stat originally posted, and he threw more INT's this past year than ever before, and lost 4 more games than the previous yr.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:23 pm to marshallcotiger
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You are partially right. He is accurate whenever he throws any pass but he is too hesitant to be a good NFL qb. In his defense he has gotten better every single year, he didn't have any help with the Redskins and to top it off he had a washed up Chris Samuels protecting his blindside. After about the third or fourth time getting drilled in the back even the toughest and most elite of qb's will start feeling the footsteps.
His release needs work but that is something that should have been coached out by this time but changing OCs every year or two doesn't allow that they are more concerned about getting their offense installed than mechanics. I hope he has some stable time to get better he has potential to be a solid QB in the league he just needs some time to develop, he won't be a Dan Marino or something similar but he can be a solid QB you can win gameswith.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:25 pm to marshallcotiger
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to top it off he had a washed up Chris Samuels protecting his blindside.
He made the Pro Bowl every year Campbell has been in the NFL except 2009.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:26 pm to tuck
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Oh, well, that's a relief. Because he isn't a good NFL quarterback. At least we are in agreement with that. Sorry for the confusion.
Stats wise he is better than half the QBs in the league and that was when he was eating the 4th most sacks behind a horrible offensive line.
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