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Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:04 am to MrAUTigers
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:04 am to MrAUTigers
You mean a 18/19yo changed their mind on a dime?
How curious! Must investigate more!
Again, I would note that I’m not arguing Alabama is a clean as the white driven snow but simply there is an unwritten code of conduct on the bounds of what is “allowable” and schools get busted when they try to pay a high school coach tens or hundreds of thousands to secure a signing or you just have position coaches handing out bags of money. There is some 10 Crack Commandments for recruiting out there but Biggie never did it as verses for the public to know it. Clearly Alabama is not violating that lest Auburn would’ve nailed them a decade ago. Auburn is just as deep in the muck and would get nuked by the NCAA too as everyone starts ratting everyone else out.
How curious! Must investigate more!
Again, I would note that I’m not arguing Alabama is a clean as the white driven snow but simply there is an unwritten code of conduct on the bounds of what is “allowable” and schools get busted when they try to pay a high school coach tens or hundreds of thousands to secure a signing or you just have position coaches handing out bags of money. There is some 10 Crack Commandments for recruiting out there but Biggie never did it as verses for the public to know it. Clearly Alabama is not violating that lest Auburn would’ve nailed them a decade ago. Auburn is just as deep in the muck and would get nuked by the NCAA too as everyone starts ratting everyone else out.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 7:36 am
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:58 am to geauxbrown
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Look at the downvotes for an actual post of substance. Sad.
Well done Wasp.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:07 am to paperwasp
OK wasp, not trying to hijack your thread but here goes my last attempt to stump you ... who is the only Tide player to finish twice in the top 5 Heisman voting?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:57 am to Hback
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OK wasp, not trying to hijack your thread but here goes my last attempt to stump you ... who is the only Tide player to finish twice in the top 5 Heisman voting?
You don't have to make it your last attempt, I am easily stumped.
Was the same guy Alabama's only No. 1 NFL draft pick?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:19 am to paperwasp
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Was the same guy Alabama's only No. 1 NFL draft pick?
Doh! I give up, well done
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:22 am to paperwasp
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I think we can all concede that every team in the conference (and maybe all of college football) probably cheats to some degree.
I'm just gonna leave this here...
Speak for your own team Mr. #1 recruiting class every year....
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:36 am to paperwasp
More of an anecdote, but worth sharing.
I went to grad school at Texas, and the 2015 (and maybe 2016) recruiting class had several Dodge Challengers and Dodge Chargers. If I remember correctly, three of each. My parking garage pass was for the Brazos garage which was right by the Jester residence hall. The Jester residence hall is commonly used by the student athletes. All the Chargers and Challengers would park together in the corner closest to Jester on the first and second floor. We'd regularly see players walking to/from the cars when we were leaving class in the evenings.
I went to grad school at Texas, and the 2015 (and maybe 2016) recruiting class had several Dodge Challengers and Dodge Chargers. If I remember correctly, three of each. My parking garage pass was for the Brazos garage which was right by the Jester residence hall. The Jester residence hall is commonly used by the student athletes. All the Chargers and Challengers would park together in the corner closest to Jester on the first and second floor. We'd regularly see players walking to/from the cars when we were leaving class in the evenings.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:42 am to paperwasp
You just have to know how to do it correctly.
This is Ok
This is Not ok
This is Ok
This is Not ok
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:49 am to MrAUTigers
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ETA didn't Peaches step-son show up at HS, just a few days after NSD, with a brand new car that quickly disappeared? This was after a booster took him from bama's campus to Pensacola Beach for the three days
Meh-- that was equally our fault. Never get involved with a recruit with a handler named "Peaches", I mean we should have known.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:52 am to aggieatbama
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More of an anecdote, but worth sharing.
I went to grad school at Texas, and the 2015 (and maybe 2016) recruiting class had several Dodge Challengers and Dodge Chargers. If I remember correctly, three of each. My parking garage pass was for the Brazos garage which was right by the Jester residence hall. The Jester residence hall is commonly used by the student athletes. All the Chargers and Challengers would park together in the corner closest to Jester on the first and second floor. We'd regularly see players walking to/from the cars when we were leaving class in the evenings.
You said that like it was impossible for football players to drive nice cars. Or for their family to have money and a college degree themselves. If you had a child in school and they were on a full ride and as a parent, all you had to supply was a vehicle, you could even lease, how much money would said parents be saving every semester?
It sounds like you want to project that all players are poor and live in the projects.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:58 am to aggieatbama
Unless they’re driving around an SRT/Hellcat, a Charger/Challenger is not a particularly expensive vehicle. The MSRP for a Charger is ~30k but nobody pays MSRP. I’m guessing the average selling price for an entry Charger is probably ~25k. You can definitely work the term of the loan such that a college football athlete on a full ride could afford one just off their per diem, cost of living adjustments, and any other grant money they get each year.
Again I remind you that a parking lot close to the barracks on an Army installation is full of Dodge Chargers being driven by young adults under drinking age on onerous loans too.
People are assigning to cheating what likely just comes down to dumbass meatheads wanting something that looks like a muscle car and dealerships being able to get nearly anyone to drive off a lot with the car they want.
Again I remind you that a parking lot close to the barracks on an Army installation is full of Dodge Chargers being driven by young adults under drinking age on onerous loans too.
People are assigning to cheating what likely just comes down to dumbass meatheads wanting something that looks like a muscle car and dealerships being able to get nearly anyone to drive off a lot with the car they want.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:06 am to paperwasp
The absolute worst thing to do is give kids anything they can flex for social media cred. Cash, cars...
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:23 am to Old Money
People just don’t appreciate how these college athletes have almost no expenses at all so it is immanently achievable for them to drive around a vehicle purchases somewhere in the 20-30k range on a long loan term. They don’t pay for their education, their books, their housing, utilities, or food. It is all taken care of in their total compensation package of the scholarship. Beyond that, these athletes essentially never wear anything other than “work out” gear from Nike unless they’re going to the clubs or parties. So they have essentially zero clothing expense too. They can just walk up to the supply/equipment people at the AD facilities and get a new pair of shoes or clothing whenever they need it (within reason).
It is not beyond reason to believe that an athlete can find 400 bucks a month to pay on a car note without even needing to get money from their parents.
It is not beyond reason to believe that an athlete can find 400 bucks a month to pay on a car note without even needing to get money from their parents.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 10:24 am
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:27 am to bamameister
That's totally fair. I'm not discounting the option. They could have all been close and wanted similar cars hence why I said it was anecdote.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:28 am to Diego Ricardo
See my follow up post to bamameister.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:32 am to Diego Ricardo
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People just don’t appreciate how these college athletes have almost no expenses at all so it is immanently achievable for them to drive around a vehicle purchases somewhere in the 20-30k range on a long loan term. They don’t pay for their education, their books, their housing, utilities, or food. It is all taken care of in their total compensation package of the scholarship. Beyond that, these athletes essentially never wear anything other than “work out” gear from Nike unless they’re going to the clubs or parties. So they have essentially zero clothing expense too. They can just walk up to the supply/equipment people at the AD facilities and get a new pair of shoes or clothing whenever they need it (within reason).
It is not beyond reason to believe that an athlete can find 400 bucks a month to pay on a car note without even needing to get money from their parents.
Anyone with a mind to can use stipend money to lease a charger or BMW on day one of school.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:40 am to Diego Ricardo
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These folks are just Q-Anon for sports. With all sort of cockamamie bull shite that clearly has no substance because again: every fricking school in the SEC would love to take out the top dog if they caught them slipping.
Somehow all these internet detectives have caught them slipping but they never get busted. So I guess it is because reptile aliens are running the NCAA or some other dumbass excuse for why their “reality” is not materializing in actual reality.
It's easier to accept losing when you can rationalize in your brain that they must be cheating and you're not. That rationalization is completely independent of proof, evidence, or really anything remotely resembling logical deduction to come to that conclusion.
Just a lot easier to think, "we would have won if they weren't cheating" than to think, "my/our best wasn't good enough." One is an easy excuse, the other requires you to become better. In other words, one is easy and the other is hard.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:42 am to bamameister
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Anyone with a mind to can use stipend money to lease a charger or BMW on day one of school.
I was on an ROTC scholarship with a stipend. My parents paid for my food and such, so I had that stipend to spend on whatever I wanted. No one came behind me asking me what I spent it on or even cared.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:06 pm to Bwmdx
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Well, I can think of 2 teams that are definitely not cheating...Arkansas and Vandy.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 1:07 am to deeprig9
You are in the denial stage. Kirby is about as dirty as they come. Richt on the other hand maybe was a little cleaner
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