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Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:47 am to Rhino5
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:47 am to Rhino5
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I don't think anyone denies CTE, but what is the alternative to protect players brains? It's the same for Rugby, UFC, and even hockey.
This is one question that is a good one but will never be answered unfortunately.
You can only make football so safe and unfortunately hits to the head are commonplace and these situations will arise. I guess they could wear flags but the game as we know it always have tragic stories.
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:48 am to Scoob
Speaking of how CTE affects other sports like soccer, it will be interesting to see if football's problems push the next generation of athletes toward sports with fewer concussion issues.
Will elite HS athletes start shift toward basketball and even baseball? As a baseball fan, I wouldn't mind it a bit.
There is a real chance of CTE pushing football into boxing territory - football could end up as a marginal sport practiced exclusively by folks who have no other economic options. If middle class parents pull out their kids and their monetary support, football as we know it could die.
Will elite HS athletes start shift toward basketball and even baseball? As a baseball fan, I wouldn't mind it a bit.
There is a real chance of CTE pushing football into boxing territory - football could end up as a marginal sport practiced exclusively by folks who have no other economic options. If middle class parents pull out their kids and their monetary support, football as we know it could die.
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 9:15 am to RaleighTiger
It irritates me how the NY Times writes N.F.L. and C.T.E.
Whether it's correct or not, it looks stupid and they're one of the only media outlets that do that.
Whether it's correct or not, it looks stupid and they're one of the only media outlets that do that.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:15 am to Crimson Legend
Awesome post.
Party on Kenny.
Party on Kenny.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:22 am to GenesChin
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I don't think heading is nearly as bad. You head through the ball
I agree.
Soccer players don't work on heading everyday in practice and when they do it usually SOFTLY lobbed balls. I could only really see the impact of the ball itself coming into play when someone puts some actual force behind the kick and you play it off the head, but that is somewhat rare although it'll make you see stars.
The real danger is when players go up for a header. That is where you get a lot of head to head contact that can be violent at game speed. I've seen teeth knocked out, large gashes opened up, noses busted/broke and of course bad concussions.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:17 pm to Master of Sinanju
Everyone, just remember this , Kenny Stabler died of colon cancer and not complications due to CTE like ALS.
Snake enjoyed a very good and rich life. He packed a lot of living into 69 years and had a lot of fun doing it.
Snake enjoyed a very good and rich life. He packed a lot of living into 69 years and had a lot of fun doing it.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:26 pm to KiwiHead
Playing pro sports is no different that working on a Crab boat, Logging or any other dangerous job. Players know the risk they are well compensated. How many players have guns to their heads at the NFL draft?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:04 pm to golfntiger32
What are they gonna say when someday hopefully way down the road they get a Chance to look at Ali's brain? A boxer who when his speed left him, he used the Rope a dope tactic against hard hitting George Foreman. Ali himself said in that fight he wasn't really there but his body was on auto-pilot.
MU great and NFL great Justin Smith was asked about this and he said a lot of this is being cherry picked from a time when football was played completely differently then it is now. He was asked if he would let his kids play and he said yes but not till HS, when they will have coaches who know how to the technical and safe way to play. He said in the little leagues they don't. He said his kids will work on the farm till then.
I think the sports scene will change because of kids getting softer. We have kids now getting participation awards for everything.
MU great and NFL great Justin Smith was asked about this and he said a lot of this is being cherry picked from a time when football was played completely differently then it is now. He was asked if he would let his kids play and he said yes but not till HS, when they will have coaches who know how to the technical and safe way to play. He said in the little leagues they don't. He said his kids will work on the farm till then.
I think the sports scene will change because of kids getting softer. We have kids now getting participation awards for everything.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:15 pm to JAGsports
Did you read any of the articles a few weeks ago about Michael Keck? Mizzou player who died of this disease at 27 or 28? He believed he had it, and it was proven after his death. He probably developed it before he ever got to college. It affected every aspect of his life, he couldn't hold a job, became abusive toward his wife, became very isolated, couldn't remember simple things. Horrible. His brain was examined after his death and the disease was surprisingly advanced. He was a LB. Too many hits to the head and concussions.
I love the sport. Love everything about it. But I'd want the kids in my family to play baseball.
I love the sport. Love everything about it. But I'd want the kids in my family to play baseball.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:32 pm to semotruman
I did and I see both sides. I also look at our military and what all they go through. They are not nearly as well compensated for their heroic service. Then look at Farmers/Ranchers who at 50 their bodies are beat to hell. Construction workers. Some do it bc they love it or its out of nessceity. When I look at it from that prospective my feelings are not as strong towards football players.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:45 pm to Master of Sinanju
The problem is the size and speed of the players today. 6'4 250 is a quarterback today where as in 1980 that guy was a lineman.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 3:03 pm to StopRobot
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They never tell you. This is my problem with the whole CTE thing. I have never found a study that uses a control group. Also CTE is only detectable if they cut your brain open and that can only happen if you agree to let them do it. Well who is more likely to donate their brains than people who think they have CTE?
A control group? We aren't trying to prove it exists or doesn't exist....we KNOW it exists and we know WHY it exists.
Based on what scientists have learned from those who have allowed their brains to be examined, it's a pretty goddamn safe bet that most people who have played in the NFL in contact positions have at least some signs of CTE in their brains, especially those susceptible to repetitive sub-concussive contact such as linemen, running backs, and linebackers.
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