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re: Joe Burrow vs Trevor Lawrence

Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9463 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:04 pm to
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When Burrow sees an elite defense like Clemson's, he will be mutilated like Tua was in January.

Clemson’s defense does look good. But are we comparing Burrow to Tua or Lawrence?

I didn’t realize that Trevor Lawrence was putting up those “Tom Brady-like” numbers against Clemson’s defense.

Trevor Lawrence vs. the best passing defense Clemson has played this year (Texas A&M, #21):
24/34 (68.6%), 268 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Joe Burrow vs. the best passing defense LSU has played this year (Alabama, #13):
31/39 (79.5%), 393 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:11 pm to
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Once we face a good defense though burrow will get shut down. He's been feasting on shitty defenses all year and hasn't been tested yet. Look for him to get exposed by A&M and Georgia.


There’s no salary cap in the MLB and guys have longer careers in baseball with less risk for catastrophic injury. If he really wants to play pro baseball, then playing SEC football is quite a risk.
This post was edited on 11/28/19 at 6:30 pm
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:11 pm to
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Ahh baseball guy too. Yeah I would agree. Didn’t the RB from Ole Miss get drafted as well out of high school?


Yes. They are both playing baseball for OM this spring.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:16 pm to
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Burrow and Lawrence are equally good against shitty teams. But Lawrence has Tom Brady-like big game talent that Burrow lacks.


Yeah, his stats against Florida, Auburn and Bama were really awful. Watch what he does to a common opponent on Saturday. I guarantee Burrow’s numbers will smoke what Lawrence did in that game. I’m sure you will have an excuse for it.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:19 pm to
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Color me unimpressed. Alabama, Allbarn, and Florida have average defenses at best.


Auburn is number 3 in yards per play. Try again. You’re responses are getting worse as you go.
Posted by Icoachfb
Greenville SC
Member since Jan 2019
1796 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:27 pm to
I thought I remembered the talk on the RB when Clemson offered that he might go in the draft and that he was told he could play both. Didn’t realize the QB played baseball too. Thanks for the information
Posted by Taurus 357
Great Lakes Gambler
Member since Dec 2014
3916 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 6:52 pm to
Don’t worry.. the committee will come to their senses and leave Clemson out of the top four due to lack of skill from conference opponents
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9463 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 8:03 pm to
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As meaningless a defensive statistic as ever there was.

1.

2. What about points per game, passing yards per game, or total yards per game? Because Clemson hasn’t played a single team in the top 20 in any of these categories. LSU has played several, and Burrow’s stats still look way better than Lawrence’s.

Clemson has played one team in the top 20 for opponent passer rating (Texas A&M) and Lawrence’s stat line was:
24/34 (68.6%), 268 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 136.6 rating

Luckily, we will get to see what Burrow does against that same defense on Saturday.
Posted by TchPowDog
Zachary, LA
Member since Sep 2015
4798 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 8:06 pm to
I think this is obvious, but Lawrence is still by far the better NFL prospect.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20436 posts
Posted on 11/28/19 at 10:58 pm to
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The couple times I have seen Burrow I think he just seemed to make all the right throws. But he is what two years older than Lawrence and he is a coaches kid probably a little more polished right now.
Why should Burrow be more polished than Lawrence?

His dad's a coach- a career defensive coach. He can impart a work ethic and love of the game, but that's not going to address the mechanics of playing QB.

Burrow being older- he was riding the bench at Ohio State while Lawrence was playing high school ball. Burrow got better coaching, but Lawrence was playing.

Burrow transferred into LSU after the spring game, into a new system. Lawrence at that point had as much time in their respective systems, and looked better. Lawrence came back into the same system this year, while Burrow was in a new one again. Lawrence should be more comfortable, given that.

Burrow's ascension this year most closely parallels Kurt Warner the year the Rams won the Super Bowl; he has bounced around in his college career (like Warner did in the pro level), then just elevated to an obscene level this year.

If you draft Lawrence, you are drafting on potential. If you draft Burrow, you are drafting an established quantity- great accuracy, good fast reads, unflappable, killer instinct... in this scheme.

I think you can mold Lawrence to schemes, but you'd be foolish to put Burrow into any other scheme than what he's running. He's gone from decent prospect to elite record setter in this, so this is clearly what he's suited to run, and he runs it as well as it can be. He could step right into, say, the Saints offense. But you put him in something different, you're gambling.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9463 posts
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:29 am to
Update:

Against a common opponent, the best statistical defense Clemson has faced all year..

Trevor Lawrence
24/34 (68.6%), 268 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 136.6 rating

Joe Burrow
23/32 (71.9%), 353 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 195.2 rating
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