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re: "Jaws" on JFF. Is he trolling?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:31 pm to TTsTowel
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:31 pm to TTsTowel
I just don't understand why he would say something like that after admitting he only looked at 5 games.
If you are summing up a kid with just 5 games of tape out of the 26 he played how does your opinion hold any real value?
If you are summing up a kid with just 5 games of tape out of the 26 he played how does your opinion hold any real value?
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:33 pm to Dr RC
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If you are summing up a kid with just 5 games of tape out of the 26 he played how does your opinion hold any real value?
People are summing up Clowney due to last year only, its like his awesome year the year before does not even exist.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:34 pm to Dr RC
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If you are summing up a kid with just 5 games of tape out of the 26 he played how does your opinion hold any real value?
5 is plenty to get an great opinion on a player.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:38 pm to adammwilson
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5 is plenty to get an great opinion on a player.
not really
if you look at a game where a QB is playing with a hurt hand its pretty much useless for example.
if you really want to grade Johnny you need to watch him progress from game 1 on.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:39 pm to adammwilson
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5 is plenty to get an great opinion on a player.
Manziel averaged 33 attempts a game both years, so that's 165 times you got to see him throw, roughly. Add in another 65 or so times he ran the ball and your around 230 plays where he touched the ball. If you can't make a decision with that much evidence... what's the point?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:45 pm to Dr RC
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not really
if you look at a game where a QB is playing with a hurt hand its pretty much useless for example.
if you really want to grade Johnny you need to watch him progress from game 1 on.
You seem to be assuming he just randomly picked five games and threw them on the monitor. Just going off last year... if you take his Duke and Alabama games (great games), LSU and Missouri (worst games) and then, say, MSU (average game)... you don't think that would give you an accurate measure of what he can do?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:00 pm to Loathor
If he did watch the two great games, he would not give him a 3rd round or later grade. LSU and mizzou he was injured, but LSU was in the cold so that was his worst game. Msu was a spectacular game, I believe it was two of the interceptions wasn't his fault. Based on those five games alone, he is at least top 4 qb. Throw in competition and mobility/skill, he is (IMO and many others) the number 1 qb
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:05 pm to Loathor
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MSU (average game)
30-39 for 446 yds and 5 TDs
47 yds rushing
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:09 pm to mrnegative
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Msu was a spectacular game, I believe it was two of the interceptions wasn't his fault.
Sorry, meant Arkansas or Vanderbilt. One of the games where he got around his average 172 rating.
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Throw in competition and mobility/skill, he is (IMO and many others) the number 1 qb
Many, but not all. Some see the ducks that he floats that are plucked out of the air by his above average receivers and find him wanting. Some see his "amazing plays" as more a product of luck than ability. Some see his scrambling as great in college, but think that it will not be as successful to bail him out in the pro game. IMO he is not a sure fire, can't miss franchise QB. But we could be just as wrong as you could be. Only time will tell.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:10 pm to Loathor
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(average game)
If so, he would be the best qb ever by far.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:11 pm to StorminAg
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30-39 for 446 yds and 5 TDs
47 yds rushing
Yeah, that was stupid of me. See above.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:13 pm to Loathor
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You seem to be assuming he just randomly picked five games and threw them on the monitor. Just going off last year... if you take his Duke and Alabama games (great games), LSU and Missouri (worst games) and then, say, MSU (average game)... you don't think that would give you an accurate measure of what he can do?
No
b/c vs LSU and Mizzou he was playing with a fractured thumb in this throwing hand.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:15 pm to Dr RC
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If you are summing up a kid with just 5 games of tape out of the 26 he played how does your opinion hold any real value?
I disagree.
5 games is plenty to get a feel for a player. I just think that Jaws is a stupid motherfricker who couldn't evaluate a player's potential if it smacked him in the face. He has made the same comments on other players before and has been DEAD-arse WRONG.
Either way, who gives a flying frick what this hack says. Who the frick is he?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:21 pm to Loathor
quote:if he plays every game like the vandy game, he a solid to above-average starter (greater than that if you include a touchdown taken away by a labhart fumble). If you watched any if of the Arkansas game, you can draw three conclusions:
Arkansas or Vanderbilt.
1. You have validity to your point. The highlight of the jump ball to Evans is unlikely to work in the nfl.
2. He had "average stats" in pretty much two quarters. At the half we ran about 85% of the time (not with manziel)
3. Other than the jump ball play, he showed exactly what he (and Russell Wilson) can do, extend plays with his legs
So based on these three conclusions (of that game) he will at least, from a non-biased pov, be at least an average or slightly above average qb. I don't really feel like giving an analysis of the vandy game because there were less components, but maybe someone else will.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:22 pm to Dr RC
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No
b/c vs LSU and Mizzou he was playing with a fractured thumb in this throwing hand.
Well then, it's a good thing that's never going to happen in the NFL...
He threw the ball 76 times in those two games and ran it 20+ times. If he wasn't fit to play then he should have slowed it down some, no?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:25 pm to Loathor
We were losing most of the lsu game so we had to pass. During the mizzou game... I honestly don't know why he did, but I suspect that it has to do with our oc's poor arse playcalling. luckily he was demoted in favor of spavital.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:29 pm to mrnegative
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if he plays every game like the vandy game, he a solid to above-average starter (greater than that if you include a touchdown taken away by a labhart fumble). If you watched any if of the Arkansas game, you can draw three conclusions:
1. You have validity to your point. The highlight of the jump ball to Evans is unlikely to work in the nfl.
2. He had "average stats" in pretty much two quarters. At the half we ran about 85% of the time (not with manziel)
3. Other than the jump ball play, he showed exactly what he (and Russell Wilson) can do, extend plays with his legs
So based on these three conclusions (of that game) he will at least, from a non-biased pov, be at least an average or slightly above average qb. I don't really feel like giving an analysis of the vandy game because there were less components, but maybe someone else will.
Right, and a ton of "solid to above-average" QBs get taken later than the third round of the NFL draft every year. It happens. That's why I don't think Jaworski is a nutter like has been thrown around on here because he didn't watch every snap Manziel has ever had.
Again, it's all just speculation until he actually plays in the NFL. Only time will tell.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:30 pm to Loathor
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Well then, it's a good thing that's never going to happen in the NFL...
He threw the ball 76 times in those two games and ran it 20+ times. If he wasn't fit to play then he should have slowed it down some, no?
Dude.
Name one NFL QB that has played good with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. ANYONE.
I'll wait.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:42 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Dude.
Name one NFL QB that has played good with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. ANYONE.
I'll wait.
The internet is an amazing thing...
Not his thumb, so you got me there...
He only had one game after that under 300 yards passing and still made the playoffs. It happens, though.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:49 pm to Loathor
I actually went back and looked at stats of manziel for arkansas game
comp/att: 23/30
Yards: 261
Comp %: 76.7
TD: 2
int: 0
Total QBR: 171.7
If he had this "average game" for 16 games, he would have these season stats(will include one int every 2.5 td):
comp/att: 368/480
Yards: 4,176
Comp %: 76.7
TD: 32
int: 13
These numbers are SPECTACULAR, especially for a rookie. Only nine other qbs had more passing yards, none had a greater percentage (the closest was phillip rivers with 69.5%), and if you include only his passing stats (he also had 59 rushing yards on 9 attempts- 6.6 average), he's 11th in the league in ypg(10 behind 7th -Tom Brady- and 81 behind 1st -peyton Manning). So I take back my conclusion statement from earlier and say that even if he has this game as an average game, he will still be dominant in the nfl, even as a rookie. Give him time to develop under a qb guru such as Bill O'Brien, One can only imagine how good he can become.
comp/att: 23/30
Yards: 261
Comp %: 76.7
TD: 2
int: 0
Total QBR: 171.7
If he had this "average game" for 16 games, he would have these season stats(will include one int every 2.5 td):
comp/att: 368/480
Yards: 4,176
Comp %: 76.7
TD: 32
int: 13
These numbers are SPECTACULAR, especially for a rookie. Only nine other qbs had more passing yards, none had a greater percentage (the closest was phillip rivers with 69.5%), and if you include only his passing stats (he also had 59 rushing yards on 9 attempts- 6.6 average), he's 11th in the league in ypg(10 behind 7th -Tom Brady- and 81 behind 1st -peyton Manning). So I take back my conclusion statement from earlier and say that even if he has this game as an average game, he will still be dominant in the nfl, even as a rookie. Give him time to develop under a qb guru such as Bill O'Brien, One can only imagine how good he can become.
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