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re: Jalen Hurts is 20-1 as the QB for Bama.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I definitely don't live in a fantasy world where Jalen is Peyton Manning. He has passing faults, from actually throwing the football to seeing the field. It concerns me down the road.
However, I think in a rush to talk about those issues people completely disregard some pretty important things that he does with his legs and with his poise/discipline that he does as well or better than anybody else in the country. Those things matter.
However, I think in a rush to talk about those issues people completely disregard some pretty important things that he does with his legs and with his poise/discipline that he does as well or better than anybody else in the country. Those things matter.
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:57 pm to GnashRebel
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The OP suggested Hurts was the best QB in the SEC.
Well I don't agree with that. Haven't even gotten into a discussion on that topic.
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I what universe would you quote these stats to indicate he is a good quarterback?
They indicate we threw for lower yardage totals because there are only so many plays in a game and we were running for 10 YPC and decided to do that instead of throw the ball 25 times. The arbitrary "how many yards did he throw for" number rings hollow when we are literally running for 365-500 yards.
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WHy can't your fans be happy to have the best team without attributing ability to a player who wouldn't start at a lot of teams.
I can't speak for other people. I think Jalen is what he is : a great runner, a below average passer and a kid who makes plays. I never claimed he was the "best" anything.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:58 pm to CrimsonBoz
I feel like talking to your fanbase is like debating politics in an insane asylum. Your interpretation of facts is so opposite of how the rest of the world would do it that I actually cannot tell when I am being trolled and when I am not. 
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They indicate we threw for lower yardage totals because there are only so many plays in a game and we were running for 10 YPC and decided to do that instead of throw the ball 25 times. The arbitrary "how many yards did he throw for" number rings hollow when we are literally running for 365-500 yards.
But you deliberately left off the completion percentage numbers I provided. He threw the ball badly. THe rest of the team makes up for it. But it may cost you if you run into a team that is better against the run.
All of your arguments are basically not that he is good it is that he is good enough. Nobody doubts that. But the thread was indicating he was better than all the other QBs out there which is false, IMO.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:04 pm to GnashRebel
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All of your arguments are basically not that he is good it is that he is good enough. Nobody doubts that. But the thread was indicating he was better than all the other QBs out there which is false, IMO.
I'm not making any arguments. I'm stating what I think he is : an elite runner and a below average passer.
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But the thread was indicating he was better than all the other QBs out there which is false, IMO.
You keep saying that. I didn't make that argument. There was a sub-discussion in this thread that I replied to.
I shall say again, I do not agree with the assessment that Jalen Hurts is the best QB in the SEC. I also do not agree with the assessment that he is a bad QB who wouldn't start many other places and is a "game manager".
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:11 pm to BamaNatureBoy
I didn't read every page but Jalen will sadly be the most under appreciated QB under Saban. I hate our fanbase sometimes.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:14 pm to Mobtro
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I hate our fanbase sometimes.
Good. You know how the rest of America feels.
Sorry, that was mean.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:16 pm to Mobtro
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Jalen will sadly be the most under appreciated QB under Saban
Clemson 13 of 31, 42% completion for 131
Probably they don't appreciate that compared to Deshaun Watson he looked like a droopy eyed, armless child. (Charlie Sheen reference)
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:16 pm to GnashRebel
quote:Have you watched the break down on Oklahoma's game yesterday? The analysts showed numerous times where instead of taking what the defense was giving him, he was trying to make the homerun play while running around in the backfield looking for deep receivers. If that ain't living and dying with your QB, nothing is.
Good God this is tedious. Oklahoma RELIES on Mayfield to win them games. He is going to give the ball away sometimes. Bama asks Hurts not to lose them games. That doesn't indicate that the player that carries less of a burden is better.
Mayfield has thrown for 5500 yards over the last season and a half. Hurts has throw for 3500. Hurts is the embodiment of the don't frick it up player.
This seems to be a fine example of why Saban likes a blue collar QB.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:17 pm to ipodking
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Bama isn't winning games because of Qb play
This.
That 1 loss falls completely on the lack of passing ability he has.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:22 pm to AU4real35
quote:Bull shite! Alabama scored 31 points and went ahead with about 2 minutes left. If you had to blame it on anything, it'd be Alabama's inability to get Watson off the field....Watson's the reason Alabama lost that game.
That 1 loss falls completely on the lack of passing ability he has.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:24 pm to BamaNatureBoy
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:26 pm to BamaNatureBoy
Tug will replace him next year
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:26 pm to AU4real35
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That 1 loss falls completely on the lack of passing ability he has.
You mean the game against Clemson where Bama had the lead on a touchdown he scored personally? When the kid left the field Bama had the lead and it was up to the defense to win the game. The defense lost that game not Jalen. Shall we look at the stats?
2017 FBS (I-A) Leaders
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Baker Mayfield, OKLA 45.4 3.1 -5.1 0.4 43.7 175 92.1 92.7
2 Mason Rudolph, OKST 42.6 4.6 -4.2 2.3 45.3 211 91.1 88.0
3 Ryan Finley, NCST 47.5 2.8 -4.6 3.4 49.2 267 82.8 84.4
4 Jalen Hurts, ALA 16.7 10.4 -4.1 1.3 24.4 193 78.5 84.0
Well lookie here. Hurts still has the highest qbr in the conference even after his sub par performance against aTm. According to the stats he is the most effective quarterback in the entire conference. His record is 20-1 and the stats say he is big reason for that. His completion is about 63 percent, and his 0 ints, plus rushing yards, means your arse is in trouble when your team plays him. Is he the best pro prospect at qb, no, but it doesn't matter because this aint the nfl.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:29 pm to AU4real35
That one lose was caused by the OC not running the ball.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:30 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Tug will replace him next year
It's certainly possible.
Also, I move to officially refer to Tua as "Tug"
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So you have written so it shall be.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:48 pm to GnashRebel
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Clemson 13 of 31, 42% completion for 131 Probably they don't appreciate that compared to Deshaun Watson he looked like a droopy eyed, armless child. (Charlie Sheen reference)
Nah, it's because we have a 5 star backup QB.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:08 pm to Mobtro
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Nah, it's because we have a 5 star backup QB.
How many stars did Hurts have?
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:09 pm to Herman Frisco
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That one lose was caused by the OC not running the ball.
It was because the qb lead the offense to 3/16 on 3rd conversions and having a completion rate at about 44% with 130 yds passing. He couldn't keep one of the all time great defenses off of the field and Clemson ran over 100 plays on them. He inability to convert on 3rd downs gassed your defense.
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