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Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:52 am to tween the hedges
big 6 status is based solely on SEC championships.
If you want to rank them all, the list would be:
1.Alabama-23
2.Tennessee-13
3.Georgia-12
4.LSU-11
5.Florida-8 (+1 vacated)
6.Auburn-8
7.Ole Miss-6
8.Georgia Tech-5
9.Tulane-3
10.Kentucky-2
11.Mississippi State-1
tied for 12 at zero SECChampionships:
Arkansas, Missouri, Sewanee, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt.
That's right, any team other than Ole Miss has to win 4 or more SEC championships before they even pass Georgia Tech in the rankings, much less sniff the "Big 6".
Ole Miss is just a few breakout seasons from forcing a decision on whether or the term is changed to "Big 7" or Auburn or Florida get bumped off the list.
If you want to rank them all, the list would be:
1.Alabama-23
2.Tennessee-13
3.Georgia-12
4.LSU-11
5.Florida-8 (+1 vacated)
6.Auburn-8
7.Ole Miss-6
8.Georgia Tech-5
9.Tulane-3
10.Kentucky-2
11.Mississippi State-1
tied for 12 at zero SECChampionships:
Arkansas, Missouri, Sewanee, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt.
That's right, any team other than Ole Miss has to win 4 or more SEC championships before they even pass Georgia Tech in the rankings, much less sniff the "Big 6".
Ole Miss is just a few breakout seasons from forcing a decision on whether or the term is changed to "Big 7" or Auburn or Florida get bumped off the list.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:52 am to crimsonian
We have big 6, little 6, and 2 stray dogs that nobody wants to accept.
In fact we have big 6 and little 4. If you aren't a charter member please GFY and GTFO. Arky to SWC, SC to ACC.
In fact we have big 6 and little 4. If you aren't a charter member please GFY and GTFO. Arky to SWC, SC to ACC.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:54 am to NYCAuburn
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Kentucky
1976
lulz
They only get a 1/2 because MSU had to forfeit a game.. so yes it is a retro SEC championship... the only non-big-6 to win in the last 50 years... ?tied with UGA..
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:57 am to Crompdaddy8
Big 6:
Bama
LSU
AU
UFL
UT
UGA
....Everybody Else....
to be honest its not even close considering the rest
Tenn has had its recent
but its history alone accounts for its standing in the Big6
Bama
LSU
AU
UFL
UT
UGA
....Everybody Else....
to be honest its not even close considering the rest
Tenn has had its recent
but its history alone accounts for its standing in the Big6
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:57 am to crimsonian
Semi-serious question, how many 2013 SEC teams would 1963 SEC Champs Ole Miss beat?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:03 am to crimsonian
Tenn still in the Big 6, it's just that right now..
Vols are drinking heavily in TimeOut over in the corner, wearing the Dunce Cap, after donking all her chips at the Poker table in first few hands..
Fla went Boom with a strong early hand, then got crushed in big showdown, and is now the small stack, UGA ok but just can't win the big hand, LSU right around her initial buy-in currently, Bama was running away with the game, but Aubie stung Tide with the better boat on the River in a monster hand.
Vols are drinking heavily in TimeOut over in the corner, wearing the Dunce Cap, after donking all her chips at the Poker table in first few hands..
Fla went Boom with a strong early hand, then got crushed in big showdown, and is now the small stack, UGA ok but just can't win the big hand, LSU right around her initial buy-in currently, Bama was running away with the game, but Aubie stung Tide with the better boat on the River in a monster hand.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 11:12 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:06 am to allin2010
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They only get a 1/2 because MSU had to forfeit a game.. so yes it is a retro SEC championship.
And they lost the real SEC Champion of 76' UGA
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:08 am to NYCAuburn
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the real SEC Champion of 76' UGA
Ray Goff POY
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:08 am to Pettifogger
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Semi-serious question, how many 2013 SEC teams would 1963 SEC Champs Ole Miss beat?
You can't really do that, it's just too different of an era. Last year's UGA team would beat any of bama's 1970s national title teams. When starting RBs these days are as big as DL back then, it's just not a fair comparison.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:12 am to WG_Dawg
It's Pettifogger you're responding to. His disdain for OM is always on display.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:13 am to scrooster
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Plus SCAR now becomes A&M's permanent opponent from the East ... A&M is going to have a very tough row to hoe while trying to maintain ten win success with their yearly schedule.
Wait, what?
Is this something that happened and I totally missed it? Are you saying that TAMU and SCar are going to play every year, instead of TAMU-Mizzou/SCar-Ark ?
When did that happen?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:13 am to WG_Dawg
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Of course not. It's built on decades upon decades of history. The big 6 are clearly, unquestionably, the 6 best SEC programs all time historically.
The next 3 in terms of historical success are Arky, aTm and Ole Miss. The other 5 have a long way to go.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:17 am to UMTigerRebel
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It's Pettifogger you're responding to. His disdain for OM is always on display.
I'm just using Ole Miss because I noticed that the last title was 63.
My point is that you can't compare eras. We know the answer is that 1963 Ole Miss (or Auburn, or whoever) wouldn't fare well against the majority of 2013 SEC teams. Thus, when categorizing programs, how much credit can we give to that era?
The point isn't to diminish the accomplishment of that team or that era of players, championships were real at that time. But in assessing the conference and programs, titles won in a totally different era aren't very useful.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:18 am to Pettifogger
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wouldn't fare well against the majority of 2013 SEC teams. Thus, when categorizing programs, how much credit can we give to that era?
Why wouldn't we give full credit? Those teams played against other teams that same year, not teams from 50 years into the future. Our 1942 SEC title counts just as much as our 2005 one.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:23 am to WG_Dawg
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Why wouldn't we give full credit? Those teams played against other teams that same year, not teams from 50 years into the future. Our 1942 SEC title counts just as much as our 2005 one.
I clarified that I meant in assessing programs today. I'm not taking anything away from what UGA did in 1942, but it doesn't give us much to work with for the present in evaluating programs.
I think what it does tell us that certain programs could do things during a different era that are nearly impossible for them now. Hence, Suwannee and Ole Miss and GT were able to enjoy success that isn't probable now, and the return to glory may never happen for some programs. Nebraska is going through that now.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:25 am to Pettifogger
Ah I see.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:27 am to MetArl15
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The only recent change would be subbing Tenn for USCe in the big 6
That's some crazy shite, USCe is a historically bottom dweller with zero recent championships that would catapult them to the big 6. Yes, they've had a nice run the past few years but have nothing to show. Their best years, (2010-2013) they haven't made the SECCG more than 1 time, in 2010, where they got completely embarrassed by Au.
They're not remotely close to being big 6 worthy. They're middle of the pack little 6 and historically just a notch above Vandy(even though Vandy has SEC championships on their resume).Historical Bottom : UK-VU- then USCe-MSST-Ark-OM - I would put them at the top of the little 6 in recent years.
UT isn't getting demoted from the Big 6, even if they continue to suck for the next few years. We'll add a member before kicking out UT.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 11:33 am to spacewrangler
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(even though Vandy has SEC championships on their resume)
huh?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 1:07 pm to Pettifogger
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But in assessing the conference and programs, titles won in a totally different era aren't very useful.
we're talking big 6 (top 6 sec programs all-time) not year to year program success
if that were the case then you would have to elect the big 6 each year in feb based on the past year success.
which would look like:
West: AU, Bama, LSU (no difference)
East: Mizzou, USCe, UGA (i could understand USCe with recent success but historically
, and letting mizzou join the rank of the elite after winning around 60% in SEC play since it joined is 
)This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 1:11 pm
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