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re: It's a shame Calipari couldn't coach his guys past Robert Morris
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:46 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:46 am to BluegrassBelle
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If just being an unreal recruiter won championships then Scott Drew and Sean Miller would have some championships by now.
Well, to be fair he has only won one, no?
ETA: Also LOL for the UMass stuff. He had them in the final four with one of the most dominant college players in the nation. Camby was a beast and Cal should be praised for getting him, not poor mouthed because it was UMass.
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:50 am to roadGator
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Don't kids need to be around more than a year or two to be truly "developed".
Depends on the kid IMO. I tend to think after what I've seen that those kids with that much raw talent can develop in a hurry in comparison to others. I think Cal gets sorely undervalued on his defensive development of players. Obviously you have the Wiltjers of the world that may never be able to play a lick of defense, but I think that's more the exception than the rule.
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It's not like he's taking an unrated kid and turning him into NBA material.
He's definitely had some non-One and Doners that he's coached up. I'm not sure anybody realizes how bad off Darius Miller was when Cal got him. Harrelson was good but he wasn't NBA good by any means.
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With that talent he's got even now he should have done much better.
Sometimes you just get a bunch that just doesn't want to buy in. Not much different then the bunch that Donovan had a couple seasons ago (with Kenny Kadji and Co.) who ended up transferring/leaving. I certainly don't think Donovan is any less of a coach because of those guys. It's just going to be up front and center when your guys don't work out coming off a NC.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:52 am to BluegrassBelle
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Harrelson was good but he wasn't NBA good by any means.
That is a great example. Maybe I am overstating it, but he was terrible when he got there, yes? By the time he left, he was legit scary. That was remarkable.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:16 pm to 20ozBulldog
Where was Georgia during all this postseason mess?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:45 pm to ohiovol
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Calipari had UMASS in the final four. It's not because he signed a bunch of McDonald's All Americans.
Might be worth double checking that. I think Marcus Camby was the #1 player or close to it outta HS in his class.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:00 pm to notsince98
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Might be worth double checking that. I think Marcus Camby was the #1 player or close to it outta HS in his class.
Donta Bright was the first McDonald's AA to sign with UMass and was on that team.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:13 pm to DaleDenton
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Donta Bright was the first McDonald's AA to sign with UMass and was on that team.
Wasn't Camby a junior when they got Bright?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:32 pm to therick711
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Wasn't Camby a junior when they got Bright?
I think so, but Camby spent his fresh-soph year in Lou Roe’s shadow before breaking out in his junior year to earn player of the year honors.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:06 pm to DaleDenton
So no one in this thread seems to have mentioned that Kentucky lost the SEC Defensive POY and future top 3 pick to an ACL injury midway through SEC play. Nerlens Noel was also the only guy on the team that seemed to bring it every night, which was noticeable since they lost every game on the road after his injury. This team looked like they were turning things around before he got hurt. They had won like 5 straight and had made their way into the top 25.
No one also seems to be taking into account that you had one team (Robert Morris) playing the super bowl of all super bowls. Playing Kentucky, who we last saw had a crying PG in the lockeroom and most likely feel like they extremely disappointed a rabid fan base. I mean how often do we see this play out in football? The little guy get the advantage of taking on a team that just does not want to be there.
No one also seems to be taking into account that you had one team (Robert Morris) playing the super bowl of all super bowls. Playing Kentucky, who we last saw had a crying PG in the lockeroom and most likely feel like they extremely disappointed a rabid fan base. I mean how often do we see this play out in football? The little guy get the advantage of taking on a team that just does not want to be there.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:19 pm to RTR America
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RTR America
Well said.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:26 pm to RTR America
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No one also seems to be taking into account that you had one team (Robert Morris) playing the super bowl of all super bowls.
Robert Morris was upset in the conference tourney, that is how they ended up in the NIT. They went to the NCAAs last year.
RM came into BWA, a place where hardly anyone was able to come in and compete this year and gave the Razorbacks a game and they did just that losing by 5.
You can say Kentucky didn't want to be there, didn't have Noel, etc. But, RM lost their best player during the game due to a flagrant 2 call and this doesn't ignore the fact that RM was a solid team this year.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:31 pm to RTR America
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No one also seems to be taking into account that you had one team (Robert Morris) playing the super bowl of all super bowls.
How is this relevant to Cal's coaching ability? That's probably why it wasn't mentioned.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:33 pm to therick711
Cal had his shite vacated at UMASS and Memhpis..It won't be to long till Kentucky's shite gets vacated either.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:41 pm to omrebelfan20
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Where was Georgia during all this postseason mess?
You mean the UGA team that stomped UK by double digits? Sitting at home because they only had one player worthy of discussion. UK, however, is a team full of 5* 'ballers' with, according to the idiots here, God's gift to coaching leading the team.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:42 pm to RTR America
Sounds like a coaching problem to me...
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:43 pm to DaleDenton
Yeah, and UK won it all last year and was a preseason pick to go at the title again. Point?
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:55 pm to DaleDenton
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Robert Morris was upset in the conference tourney, that is how they ended up in the NIT. They went to the NCAAs last year.
RM came into BWA, a place where hardly anyone was able to come in and compete this year and gave the Razorbacks a game and they did just that losing by 5.
I know this and this why I thought with them playing at home Kentucky was going to lose. I mean did you see that environment for that game?
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You can say Kentucky didn't want to be there, didn't have Noel, etc. But, RM lost their best player during the game due to a flagrant 2 call and this doesn't ignore the fact that RM was a solid team this year.
My point with Noel is that they were an entirely different team on the road without Noel. They didn't win ONE game on the road without Noel.
The sad thing was Kentucky held their leading scorer to 2 points.
The only player on UK who played like he wanted to be there was a former walk on in Polson.
And the people bitching about lack of coaching or Cal not being able to develop talent that is not a 5 star. Have either A) no understanding of his recent history, such as in 2011 when they went to the FInal Four with an extremely talent lacking team B) just lack basketball intelligence or C) are just haters and are envious of their success.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:03 pm to RTR America
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A) no understanding of his recent history, such as in 2011 when they went to the FInal Four with an extremely talent lacking team
Seriously? They had three draft picks in that year's draft not even the counting the players that went pro the next year. Come on, guy.
I think Cal's a great coach, but that isn't really a good argument in favor of that point.
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:37 pm to therick711
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Seriously? They had three draft picks in that year's draft not even the counting the players that went pro the next year. Come on, guy.
I think Cal's a great coach, but that isn't really a good argument in favor of that point.
1 of which was ineligible and Brandon Knight were the only two anyone expected to go pro. They also only went about 6-7 deep that year. My point is those guys came back and got better. Terrence Jones was a no show in tourney that year. Doron Lamb wasn't much either. Darius Miller was extremely hit or miss. That is why they all came back and GOT BETTER under Cal.
You are really going to tell me going into that season scouts were talking about Josh Harrelson being a future NBA center? Hell no, Calipari helped the develop the hell out of that kid.
People also saw Deandre Liggins as a head case and offensively inept. Yet hit a clutch 3 to beat UNC and is now playing for OKC.
Cal is constantly have to change his system to fit his players that year and convince a bunch of guys who took 20-30 shots a game in high school to share the ball and play defense. There is a reason nobody else does it because nobody else can do it.
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