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re: It is factually incorrect to say that Penix was undefeated and Daniels lost 3 games
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:12 am to TheQuestion
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:12 am to TheQuestion
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I did. It seems to me that some people are not being objective because they just can't stand to see an SEC rival do well. Daniels was clearly, far and away the better player.
SEC fans want to say the SEC is the toughest conference. Daniels had the better numbers in the tougher conference. It's no contest. Trying to smuggle in team accomplishments is childish.
Running your flawed logic out to its end would indicate that you believe a player on a team that doesn't win a single game is Heisman material.
Not only a miscellaneous player but, a key cog in the machine such as a QB that can drive a team to victory by his own superlative actions on the field.
Daniels failed to lift his team up and overcome the poor defense of lsu on 3 separate occasions. That's 3 failures.
Cam Newton didn't have 3 failures; he was a winner. Cam Newton, and most other Heisman winners, have been an integral reason for the success of their teams.
When auburn sucked as a whole during certain games in 2010, Cam Newton put the team on his back and led them to victory.
Jayden Daniels and his supporters have only made excuses for being losers.
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:01 am to TheQuestion
You keep using the phrase "factually incorrect." I do not think it means what you think it means, Fezzik. The fact is that LSU - and therefore by extension every single player on LSU's team - has three losses on the season. Is that the most fair method of judging QB play? Perhaps not, but you and I both know that it is used that way nevertheless. I think Daniels will win the Heisman tonight and I'm cool with that, he deserves it, but if he doesn't win the only reason will be those three losses.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:15 am to TheQuestion
It is factually correct to say you’re an idiot and nobody gives a frick what you say. Jayden Daniels will win the heisman so deal with it
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:05 am to A Lite
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Jayden Daniels and his supporters have only made excuses for being losers.
Well said
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:36 am to TheQuestion
It is factually correct to say that neither played on defense
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:41 am to TheQuestion
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that kind of sophistry
You’re whole post is a work of sophistry
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:42 am to TheQuestion
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Daniels lost 3 game
Factually incorrect.
GUmps had to take him out in order to win.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:44 am to TheQuestion
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It is also factually incorrect to say that Penix was undefeated
Who defeated him?
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:58 am to TheQuestion
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You're making my point for me. Very few people don't know that win/loss for starting pitcher is one of the WORST ways to evaluate a pitcher. Just like it's idiotic to judge Daniels/Nix/Penix by the way their TEAM performed. None of them played all 22 positions on every snap. It's a completely stupid way to evaluate them.
And none of those QBs caught the passes they threw, either. So, do we throw out passing yards and passing TD's as a metric?
Like it or not that is how they are judged. Is it fair? Maybe. maybe not. But if a pitcher has a 4.50ERA and wins 300+ games he will be in the Hall of Fame. If you don't like that, then you should take it up with the powers that be. I doubt it will do any good though, because the fact is when things are not going well, and teammates are not playing well, the star finds a way to take his team to a win. LSU beat one good team this year. Missouri. They lost to the other three good teams they played against.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:00 am to Tigerpride18
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Not sure why it matters. Jd will win the heisman.
I do believe he (Daniels) should win the Heisman. Still doesn't make the OP's reasoning correct.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:36 pm to ColoradoAg
quote:Which Heisman finalist played a tougher schedule? I'll wait while you google that
SEC was garbage this year
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:39 pm to A Lite
quote:Is the award an individual award or a team award?
you believe a player on a team that doesn't win a single game is Heisman material
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flawed logic
quote:So the qb can play all 22 positions on every down. I had not heard that.
a key cog in the machine such as a QB that can drive a team to victory by his own superlative actions on the field
quote:Dang. And to think people like you are allowed to vote in elections.
Daniels failed to lift his team up and overcome the poor defense of lsu on 3 separate occasions. That's 3 failures
quote:Now that you mention it, I do remember Cam playing all 22 positions on every snap. That was something.
Cam Newton didn't have 3 failures; he was a winner. Cam Newton, and most other Heisman winners, have been an integral reason for the success of their teams
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:42 pm to TheTideMustRoll
quote:Maybe you're not too bright?
I do not think it means what you think it means
quote:Factually incorrect.
every single player on LSU's team - has three losses on the season
quote:Which is, of course, stupid
if he doesn't win the only reason will be those three losses
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:43 pm to Fanatic4U
quote:First, you don't know me. Second, tell me what I said that's wrong
It is factually correct to say you’re an idiot
quote:Well, since I've been pointing out that Daniels is the best player, I'm ok with him winning it
Jayden Daniels will win the heisman so deal with it
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:44 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
quote:Exactly! Someone gets it!
It is factually correct to say that neither played on defense
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:44 pm to TheQuestion
I think thequestion is who's alter are you?
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:45 pm to jonnyanony
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Who defeated him?
Who did he beat?Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:59 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Right. He runs up to the booth and calls plays. Then he runs back down and takes on the opponent all by himself. That one player deserves all the credit and all the blame because, well, that's just how it is.
the star finds a way to take his team to a win
quote:Right. THEY lost.
They lost to the other three good teams they played against
quote:So if Daniels had the better stats against tougher competition, does that mean he "lifted the offense" and made them better?
And none of those QBs caught the passes they threw, either. So, do we throw out passing yards and passing TD's as a metric?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:24 am to ColoradoAg
Sure the SEC was down, we can't all play like Colorada does every week.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 2:08 am to TheQuestion
It’s factually correct to say Jayden won the Heisman.
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