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re: If TOP 4 win out, are they in the playoffs?

Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:32 am to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:32 am to
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boddagetta
If TOP 4 win out, are they in the playoffs?
Um yes. What a stupid arse question.


Agree on the yes part.
Also agree on the stupid arse question part.

Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:35 am to
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If Mississippi State is #1 without playing anyone OOC, doesn't that basically say that there is no point in playing good OOC games?


No, it doesn't say that at all if you have several ranked teams on your schedule. If you don't have quality conference games, or if you have a loss, you'd better have a quality OOC win. If MSU is undefeated with wins over OM, AU, AL, and in the SECCG, why would they need an OOC game against a ranked opponent? A strong schedule is a strong schedule. Period.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 11:36 am
Posted by Aman
Alabama
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:37 am to
Well three would be conference champs. I think AU would get in, but I could see them putting in Michigan State if they win out and win the Big 10. Especially if Bama loses twice before the iron bowl and the UGA game has already lost some luster after UF destroyed them.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:41 am to
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Even though AU beat them head-to-head on the road?



But they would be a conference champ and AU lost by two TDs to a team in the playoff already. I think the committee will have plenty of justifiable reasons to leave out a 2nd SEC team if Michigan State and KSU win out as well.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:42 am to
1-loss Auburn has zero chance of being left out in favor of Kansas St. Conference champs will have a lot of emphasis put on it, but not more so than head to head. Especially when the road team won the head to head and the overall resume of Auburn is better.
Posted by Jma313
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:43 am to
I think so but auburn may get dinged for playing one less game than the other 3
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:44 am to
Big XII doesn't have a championship though, so AU would still play the same number of games as them.
Posted by i am dan
NC
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:45 am to
Big 12 would have a harder time jumping Auburn, but Mich St may have an argument winning out and being conference champions. Their only loss being #4 Oregon of course.

This committee may have some tough decisions to make.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 11:47 am
Posted by Jma313
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:46 am to
They however play one more conference game than we play in the SEC. If auburn were to get jumped because of that SEC goes to a 9 game slate next year
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:50 am to
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But they would be a conference champ and AU lost by two TDs to a team in the playoff already. I think the committee will have plenty of justifiable reasons to leave out a 2nd SEC team if Michigan State and KSU win out as well.

Zero chance of happening.

In a hypothetical, let's say there's two teams who played each other that are fighting for the last playoff spot. Let's say Team A is Conf Champ & and has a much more impressive resume than Team B. Team B did not win there Conf Championship. But Team B did beat Team A.

Team B would still get that last spot.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:51 am to
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1-loss Auburn has zero chance of being left out in favor of Kansas St


I disagree. Auburn will have an argument, but KSU's resume will be pretty good if they go 11-1. They would have beaten OK, WV, TCU, & Baylor. That would be pretty stout and they would be a conference champ. I think Auburn would have a better argument if they hadn't played and lost to the SEC champ by two TDs. If they had lost say 9-6 in OT I think their chances would be better.

Other SEC teams (from the east) aren't helping AU's argument either. USC was supposed to be good and they suck and still played AU tough on the road. UGA is still good, but that game isn't nearly the game it was supposed to be in the eyes of the committee.

I could still see them putting in AU, but to say the chance is 0 for KSU is simply not true.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:52 am to
Auburn, I guess, could get jumped by TCU. It would be because of an emphasis on conference champions, not because of how many conference games they play though. I was just responding on the KSU/Auburn thing, there's no way KSU finishes ahead of AU if Auburn wins out. TCU, Mich St I could see, though I'd disagree.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:52 am to
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They however play one more conference game than we play in the SEC. If auburn were to get jumped because of that SEC goes to a 9 game slate next year

That's irrelevant.

SEC plays 8 Conf games and 1 OOC vs a Power 5 team.
Big 12 plays 9 Conf games.

There's no difference there.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:53 am to
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There is absolutely no proof so far ...their win against Alabama is better

Where is the proof that their win over Bama is better? Who has Bama beaten?
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:53 am to
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I could still see them putting in AU, but to say the chance is 0 for KSU is simply not true.

You're still using the BCS way of thinking. That's gone.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:55 am to
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Where is the proof that their win over Bama is better? Who has Bama beaten?

No one. The committee views the Bama win as better which is evidenced in the rankings. And that's all that matters.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:56 am to
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Team B would still get that last spot.


I think it matters how they lost to Team B. You are saying team A is a conference champ and has a better resume than Team B, but a close loss to Team B automatically knocks them out? I just don't think the committee will look at it that way.

Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:58 am to
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I think it matters how they lost to Team B. You are saying team A is a conference champ and has a better resume than Team B, but a close loss to Team B automatically knocks them out? I just don't think the committee will look at it that way.

The committee has already shown they do not care how you win or how you lose. Like I said, you're using the BCS way of thinking.
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:59 am to
Oregon will get the 3rd seed because of the conference championship and beating a high ranked opponent in it(Arizona State is currently #9)


This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22377 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:00 pm to
Yea, a 2nd SEC team (if it happens) would likely be #4. SEC champ, unbeaten FSU, and Pac 12 champ Oregon would be the top 3 IMO. A 1-loss SEC champ Miss St may actually be #3, but assuming FSU is #1 (and gets New Orleans), #2 or #3 would be irrelevant.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 12:02 pm
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