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re: If the Newtons did not ask for or receive $$ from Auburn . . .
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:39 am to spslayto
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:39 am to spslayto
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Why Auburn when they weren't even on the radar yet other D-1 schools were?
I think your memory is not serving you correctly. Auburn was recruiting him as was Oklahoma, Miss State, and several other schools.
Auburn also recruited him out of high school and it came down to Florida and Auburn before he ended up choosing Florida.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:41 am to WDE24
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To be fair, you won't believe anything except that the Newton's got paid by AU or AU booster. So anything that doesn't end in that scenario is suspect to you.
Probably true for most on the SECr. But there are too many character flaws in this whole story to believe anybody (Cam himself) was unaware of what was going on. I really hope that Cam is innocent, because if the NCAA, or SEC, comes back in two years and finds wrongdoings and Auburn is put on probation, the backlash will be monumental towards all members of the SEC. Especially after the NCAA's statement and Slive's interview yesterday.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:41 am to AUwayne
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AUwayne
Well, everything in this thread except your avatar has completely lost my interest.
And considering what I'd read so far, that may not be a bad thing.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:43 am to spslayto
quote:That's not exactly true. AU was in on him later than others, but they had recruited him out of high school as well. I think Luper was looking at another player at Blinn and saw Newton and that is when AU got involved. It's not hard to sell AU's offense with Malzahn and a senior o-line. Not to mention AU had just set school records with a stiff that had a noodle arm playing QB.
Auburn came out of nowhere towards the end of the recruitment. Why Auburn when they weren't even on the radar yet other D-1 schools were?
It doesn't mean AU didn't pay him, but just because he went tpo AU over MSU doesn't mean they did.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:43 am to WDE24
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Because Cecil realized he effed up when he didn't get paid by MSU (and possibly new that MSU was going to have to report it) and so he steered Cam away from muddied waters. Just a theory.
If Cecil knew that he effed up with MSU, then why did he tweak their noses when he tried to explain why Cam went to Auburn?
Here were his choices:
1) Say nothing.
2) Be diplomatic.
3) Say something that will guarantee that MSU is going to turn you in.
He chose door #3.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:45 am to graychef
quote:But at the same time, there is nothing that could ever convince you of this, correct?
I really hope that Cam is innocent
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:46 am to Hootie
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why doesn't Cam end up at MSU
He preferred Auburn's pre-med program.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:49 am to graychef
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if the NCAA, or SEC, comes back in two years and finds wrongdoings and Auburn is put on probation, the backlash will be monumental towards all members of the SEC.
I think the backlash toward the SEC and NCAA in general will be even more monumental.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:51 am to Marines4Auburn
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How funny would it be that MSU actually did give Cecil Newton some money and Cam ended up going to AU so they turned him into the SEC?
So, if your girlfriend gives you a shiny new pistol for your birthday then leaves you to run off with a circus sideshow the next day, you "show her" by putting the barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:53 am to WDE24
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Because Cecil realized he effed up when he didn't get paid by MSU (and possibly new that MSU was going to have to report it) and so he steered Cam away from muddied waters. Just a theory.
If Cam knew nothing about all this - then I wonder what Cecil's "reasoning" was when he told Cam he would be going to AU?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:54 am to WDE24
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But at the same time, there is nothing that could ever convince you of this, correct?
The final verdict is good enough for me.
I think we all assumed Reggie Bush's family was paid. It took time for the whole truth to come out and NCAA to issue its final statement. Most are feeling the same way about Cecil's actions. He did something wrong. The only question is if Cam knew about it. Maybe some families are different, but I know/knew everything my dad does/did on my behalf. So it's hard for us to believe Cam was out of the loop.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:55 am to RT1941
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then I wonder what Cecil's "reasoning" was when he told Cam he would be going to AU?
It's already been covered. Auburn had a more experienced O-Line and Auburn was closer to Atlanta Ga.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:55 am to RT1941
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then I wonder what Cecil's "reasoning" was when he told Cam he would be going to AU?
You and everyone else.
Popular reason every year for some recruits is...close to home and pipelin to the NFL. AU has both over MSU and Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:56 am to parkjas2001
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pipelin to the NFL.
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Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is pretty good about getting guys to the NFL.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:01 am to RT1941
quote:Couldn't Cam had learned after the fact? Like when the MSU coaches and administration did? Maybe they told Cecil he wouldn't get paid and that the rules required them to report what they knew? Again, just a theory, but it is plausible.
If Cam knew nothing about all this - then I wonder what Cecil's "reasoning" was when he told Cam he would be going to AU?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:01 am to WDE24
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To be fair, you won't believe anything except that the Newton's got paid by AU or AU booster. So anything that doesn't end in that scenario is suspect to you.
To be fair, I get that you think that but Cam's track record tells me HE'S suspect at best. Y'all have to admit that he hasn't exactly been swimming in clear water since he's been involved in collegiate athletics.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:02 am to graychef
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Oklahoma.
Would you like a map to see who is closer?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:03 am to parkjas2001
quote:I thought the comparison was that Auburn is somehow better than Oklahoma than getting players to the NFL.
Would you like a map to see who is closer?
So when I saw your response, my initial reaction was to ask myself, "Is Auburn physically closer to the NFL than Oklahoma? "
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:06 am to LSUdm21
quote:Fair enouogh. He is no saint, but, as much as I probably should, I have never held college athletes to that high of a standard. If I did, I wouldn't like a lot of them. Certainly I get more joy out of rooting for guys I know have great attitudes, heart and work ethic and who I would want my daughter (if I had one) to marry.
To be fair, I get that you think that but Cam's track record tells me HE'S suspect at best. Y'all have to admit that he hasn't exactly been swimming in clear water since he's been involved in collegiate athletics.
However, I root for a lot of guys that don't fit that mold and my guess is you do too. Just because Cam hasn't proven to have the greatest character, doesn't mean he is guilty of everything he has been accused of.
The NCAA and I still need evidence. You, other rival fans and the general public understandably are going to have a lower threshold.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:09 am to WDE24
"Because Cecil realized he effed up when he didn't get paid by MSU (and possibly new that MSU was going to have to report it) and so he steered Cam away from muddied waters."
This would be an excellent angle for Cecil to take in an interview, especially since the NCAA has already proven he was shopping Cam.
This would be an excellent angle for Cecil to take in an interview, especially since the NCAA has already proven he was shopping Cam.
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