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re: If Saban were to ever leave, this seems like the year
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:24 am to OldPete
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:24 am to OldPete
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When Saban retires/leaves (and I hope it's still a few years down the road), while I think it'd be a top job, if I was a top coach, I don't know if I'd want to be the one to follow him...talk 'bout expectations...I think I'd want to be the one to follow the guy after Saban...
it's also going to be a crap shoot as to who will be available when Saban decides to hang it up. No telling if Alabama will have an elite coach fall into their laps like Saban did or Meyer did for Ohio State. It's always stressful having to replace a coach, regardless of the strength of the program at the time.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:26 am to lsufball19
Not really. As long as we can keep recruiting up Bama's AD will be fielding calls from all over the country.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:32 am to MontyFranklyn
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Not really. As long as we can keep recruiting up Bama's AD will be fielding calls from all over the country.
it's not as simple as that. a lot more goes into getting a coach to leave his current job that simply recruiting and money. ask texas how that worked out for them or lsu for that matter. florida hired freaking will muschamp when meyer quit lol. and what coach out there is a for sure thing outside urban meyer? saban and meyer are the only for sure things right now, and meyer isn't leaving ohio state for alabama. it's always a gamble when you replace a head coach, especially one on the level of nick saban
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:37 am to Dawgholio
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Unfortunately for Auburn, he ain't leaving
That's wrong. Saban at Alabama has helped AU. 2 NC appearances, 2 SEC championships since his arrival. Sure, Bama has had unparalleled success in that time frame, but the competition helped AU strive for more. Both schools have benefited from Saban, as was shown by UA/AU being in the NC game 5 years in a row.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:40 am to lsufball19
quote:Bama won't have to rush to find a coach. My point is that if Saban lets the administration know and the program is still running at a high level when he decides to leave, many coaches around the country would be interested in taking over. It would be like stepping into a turnkey operation.
it's not as simple as that. a lot more goes into getting a coach to leave his current job that simply recruiting and money. ask texas how that worked out for them or lsu for that matter. florida hired freaking will muschamp when meyer quit lol. and what coach out there is a for sure thing outside urban meyer? saban and meyer are the only for sure things right now, and meyer isn't leaving ohio state for alabama. it's always a gamble when you replace a head coach, especially one on the level of nick saban
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:40 am to OldPete
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Yeah, we tend to forget the hires before Saban...
When Saban retires/leaves (and I hope it's still a few years down the road), while I think it'd be a top job, if I was a top coach, I don't know if I'd want to be the one to follow him...talk 'bout expectations...I think I'd want to be the one to follow the guy after Saban...
...very difficult to hire back to back college hall of fame level coaches..and continue the success
...many good-- even great coaches would not meet the expectations at Bama ( Saban's winning % is 0.83495) --stats through 2014 season--
...look at Ohio State following Woody Hayes--Nebraska following Osborne etc (Osborne was even involved with AD duties...still was difficult making coaching hires at the program )
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:47 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Ah, remember when Saban was terrified of Malzahn and the game had passed him by? Now we are back to wishing and praying he will leave. Good times.
Well I have no dog in this fight, but he ain't gonna be around forever. I sure hope you have a HCIW, perhaps your RB coach or Quality Control Locker room guy or some shite?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:50 am to AUstar
How many alters do you have?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:52 am to Taurus 357
Anybody who thinks post-Saban we will just keep on chugging at the same pace is silly.
My hope is that we hire somebody who can come in and use what Saban has built by molding it to fit whatever their image is. I mean, LSU post-Saban is a perfect example. Miles had LSU as a national threat every year for his first 3 years, then they fell (mostly) to a good but not great level (outside of 2011).
I would guess, off the top of my head, some of the targets that could possibly do that and might have interest (might) would be :
- Dabo Swinney
- Jimbo Fisher
- Gary Patterson
Then you look at guys who might be at that level in 3-4 years like Herman or Fuente.
Nothing is a sure thing and the odds are whoever we hire will not be as good as the coach we had, because the coach we had is one of the 5 greatest coaches in the history of the sport.
My hope is that we hire somebody who can come in and use what Saban has built by molding it to fit whatever their image is. I mean, LSU post-Saban is a perfect example. Miles had LSU as a national threat every year for his first 3 years, then they fell (mostly) to a good but not great level (outside of 2011).
I would guess, off the top of my head, some of the targets that could possibly do that and might have interest (might) would be :
- Dabo Swinney
- Jimbo Fisher
- Gary Patterson
Then you look at guys who might be at that level in 3-4 years like Herman or Fuente.
Nothing is a sure thing and the odds are whoever we hire will not be as good as the coach we had, because the coach we had is one of the 5 greatest coaches in the history of the sport.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:53 am to AUbagman
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That's wrong. Saban at Alabama has helped AU. 2 NC appearances, 2 SEC championships since his arrival. Sure, Bama has had unparalleled success in that time frame, but the competition helped AU strive for more. Both schools have benefited from Saban,
I agree with this completely. Better competition drives you to be better. When Alabama is down, Auburn has been content in the past just to beat them in the Iron Bowl. When Saban came in, it added a lot of pressure to beat them, and to beat them you had to be good enough for serious title contention.
I think the same logic could apply to the SEC as a whole. If Smart turns GA into a contender quickly, combined with McElwain, it will make schools like Tenn and SC try that much harder.
Better coaching.
Better games.
Wins for the fans.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:00 am to higgs_boson
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I agree with this completely. Better competition drives you to be better
"The fans used to think Oklahoma was the enemy. They actually made us better." ----Tom Osborne
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:09 am to William Stephenson
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Nothing is a sure thing and the odds are whoever we hire will not be as good as the coach we had
Saban could have another ten years at Bama - no one really knows. But, whoever comes after him is going to have a tough job because of the expectations of the majority of Bama's fan base.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:10 am to atlau
He has been in talks with the cowboys. I know this for a fact. 
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:17 am to atlau
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Saban could have another ten years at Bama - no one really knows. But, whoever comes after him is going to have a tough job because of the expectations of the majority of Bama's fan base.
I think Saban probably stays another 4-5 years. Just my wild guess.
I would hope people will understand that the next era will not be as good as this one, and I think a lot of the reasonable folks will. However, the loudest people are always the unreasonable minority, and ours are especially loud.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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- Dabo Swinney
I think I'm one of the few Bama fans who wouldn't mind seeing Swinney coaching here after Saban. I think he has the physical and mental makeup not to be overwhelmed by following Saban. He can also recruit and fundraise with the best of 'em. And while he can be kinda goofy, he's hired good coordinators (and he lets 'em coach), he's a good motivator, and his players love to play for him...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:21 am to OldPete
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I think I'm one of the few Bama fans who wouldn't mind seeing Swinney coaching here after Saban. I think he has the physical and mental makeup not to be overwhelmed by following Saban. He can also recruit and fundraise with the best of 'em. And while he can be kinda goofy, he's hired good coordinators (and he lets 'em coach), he's a good motivator, and his players love to play for him...
I would have vomited at the thought of it 3 years ago, but I have come around to him. He has built Clemson into an elite, 10 win a year, NFL factory. He's kind of a goof, but I think he has a serious system that the kids buy into and that works.
I don't know if he would hold up well under the intensity of having to win 11 games a year at Alabama, but I think he is as good as any other option at this point.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I would have vomited at the thought of it 3 years ago, but I have come around to him. He has built Clemson into an elite, 10 win a year, NFL factory. He's kind of a goof, but I think he has a serious system that the kids buy into and that works.
I don't know if he would hold up well under the intensity of having to win 11 games a year at Alabama, but I think he is as good as any other option at this point.
Judging by the quick downvote, I'm guessin' you and I are in the minority...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:27 am to TroyTider
Saban literally replaces coaches every off-season. When your program is the gold-standard, everyone wants a piece of that pie which means lots of staff turnover. Been that way almost a decade. Saban is 64 so he could retire at any point, but it won't be because he lost a couple of staff coaches, as he can go out and replace them with just about whoever he wants.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I would have vomited at the thought of it 3 years ago, but I have come around to him. He has built Clemson into an elite, 10 win a year, NFL factory. He's kind of a goof, but I think he has a serious system that the kids buy into and that works.
I don't know if he would hold up well under the intensity of having to win 11 games a year at Alabama, but I think he is as good as any other option at this point.
I don't think Dabo's personality would work well at Bama. I'd rather go after Dantonio or Gary Patterson type guys. That said, if we hire Dabo I'll be in his corner 100%, if nothing else the guy is a sick recruiter which is half the battle.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:32 am to tider04
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I don't think Dabo's personality would work well at Bama. I'd rather go after Dantonio or Gary Patterson type guys.
At the end of the day, whoever replaces Saban will have a hard time living up to expectations.
Personality is a thing to consider though. This is just my opinion, but most successful Al coaches had a certain gravitas to them. Bryant, Stallings and Saban --- none of them struck me as a "prankster" or as light hearted as Dabo.
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