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re: If head-to-head doesn't matter, what's the point of a playoff?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:16 pm to finestfirst79
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:16 pm to finestfirst79
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The next part is where it gets messy. Say FSU goes undefeated, Oregon, Big12 champ, ND, B1G champ all have one loss. Yeah, I think LSU might get left out because of that Auburn beatdown and because you have 2 losses, where nobody mentioned above does.
This would be the way it SHOULD happen in this scenario, but say the committee leaves out a 1-loss ND or B1G champ. Then who got screwed? The committee says it wants the 4 best teams in the playoffs and if LSU wins out it would be hard to argue that ND or the B1G champ are better than they are. However, ND and the B1G champ would have the better record and would probably be more deserving. This is where the lack of clear criteria and voting guidelines becomes a problem, and scenarios similar to this are going to come up almost every year.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:18 pm to TX Tiger
TCU has a better resume than Baylor.
Ole Miss has a better resume than LSU.
I am fine with both rankings.
ETA: With all the top 10 teams that could lose this week, LSU will probably be like #8 next week. That's crazy.
Ole Miss has a better resume than LSU.
I am fine with both rankings.
ETA: With all the top 10 teams that could lose this week, LSU will probably be like #8 next week. That's crazy.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:19 pm to RB10
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This is where the lack of clear criteria and voting guidelines becomes a problem, and scenarios similar to this are going to come up almost every year.
Since you are such a big fan of the BCS, surely you see that it had none of "clear criteria and voting guidelines" you speak of.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:20 pm to RB10
We are two weeks into this and none of it matters really at this point. How about you give it a chance before you go ape shite over it?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:21 pm to Sigma
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You act like the BCS was so clear, when in fact it's just that you were used to it.
I'd say you need to work on your comprehension skills. It's hard for me to complain about where OM is ranked because I don't have any clue how the committee ranks teams. It obviously isn't head to head, which it appeared to be last week. I'd guess it's now going by "quality losses", but next week it could be which teams colors they feel are the most appealing.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:24 pm to RB10
It's not a single criteria dude. It's all of it at the same time, as it should be.
And again, the BCS was absolutely no different.
And again, the BCS was absolutely no different.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:26 pm to Sigma
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Since you are such a big fan of the BCS, surely you see that it had none of "clear criteria and voting guidelines" you speak of.
The BCS had it's formula and stuck to it. They may have never released the exact content of it, but they made it known what mattered and what didn't (Conference titles, quality wins, SOS, etc.). Can the same be said of the committee? Last time I checked no one other than those 13 members know what carries the most weight in their voting system.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:27 pm to Sigma
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It's not a single criteria dude. It's all of it at the same time, as it should be.
set of criteria.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:29 pm to Nuts4LSU
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If this is an indication of how the committee will act going forward, then how will their openly bad-faith conduct affect the legitimacy of the playoff system?
man, there are only 4 teams making the play off. sorry, but both ole miss and LSU are out. there will most certainly 4 or more other teams in the country that will be undefeated or have only one loss. the nation is determined not to be SEC centric. the SEC champ will get in unless it's the east champ that upsets the west champ and the east champ has 2 losses. these idiots on the committee are going to be "objective" in their minds and there are 5 conferences, notre dame and the mid conferences. they will make sure that "bias" is not shown. one or even two of the big 5 will get left out and the SEC could be one of them if the champ has 2 losses. it's bull shite but the SEC west beating each other will not even be considered. having a 4 team playoff is stupid and a big step backward from the BCS imo. an 8 team playoff is the only way to go.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:37 pm to RB10
Conference titles? Ha. As an LSU fan you should know this is wrong. If the set of criteria was so ironclad and consistent, why 8 different computer programs?
How exactly did they "make it known"? And who was "they"?
How exactly did they "make it known"? And who was "they"?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:45 pm to Sigma
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Conference titles? Ha. As an LSU fan you should know this is wrong. If the set of criteria was so ironclad and consistent, why 8 different computer programs?
You may want to go back and look at how many times the two teams in the BCSNCG were both conference champs. When you do you will realize just how dumb you're making yourself look right now.
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How exactly did they "make it known"? And who was "they"?
Every week on the BCS selection show they would have one of their guys there giving explanations as to why each team was ranked where they were as they unveiled them. I haven't seen anything even close to that from the committee yet.
I can see you hated the BCS and that's fine, but to say that the committee is just as transparent as the BCS system was is just plain ignorant.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:45 pm to rantfan
quote:Since none of you seem to have the ability to comprehend and discuss the OP, let me simplify it for you.
if LSU would have had a viable quaterback ready for life after Zach and a middle linebacker worth a crap they wouldn't have lost those 2 games . Im not calling out the coaching staff , shite happens in sports . A lot of LSU fans think we deserve. to be higher ? Why because we beat OLE MISS ? We looked horrible against MSU , the worst 5 point loss ever in the history of college football and then looked like a high school team against Auburn. We deserve to be right where we are ranked.
Either head-to-head matters or it doesn't.
If it does, then the playoff committee is a fraud.
If it doesn't, then what is the point of conducting a head-to-head playoff?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:50 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:So if the team that loses the national championship game has a better resume than the team that beat them, you're O.K. with the loser being crowned national champion? Really?
TCU has a better resume than Baylor.
Ole Miss has a better resume than LSU.
I am fine with both rankings.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:53 pm to TX Tiger
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So if the team that loses the national championship game has a better resume than the team that beat them, you're O.K. with the loser being crowned national champion? Really?
No. Because that is not the format under which the college football season is being played.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:54 pm to RB10
Again, who is "they"?
And this is exactly what Jeff Long is doing for the committee right now.
I don't hate the BCS. It was fine. So is the committee.
And this is exactly what Jeff Long is doing for the committee right now.
I don't hate the BCS. It was fine. So is the committee.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:55 pm to BayouBengals03
What is the format under which college football is being played?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:56 pm to TX Tiger
They'll use whatever criteria they want for whatever circumstance they want. I don't know why y'all are so worried about this.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:57 pm to TX Tiger
The issue of head to head and whether it matters is not binary. It matters, but it's not everything.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:58 pm to Sigma
quote:Then what's the point of a head-to-head playoffs?
The issue of head to head and whether it matters is not binary. It matters, but it's not everything.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:02 pm to Sigma
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Again, who is "they"?
"They" were the people that ran the BCS computer rankings system. You do understand that be BCS computers were only 1/3 of the formula right? You also understand that their main function was to balance out the rankings, which the computer did by being completely unbiased right?
Now do you realize that this committee is just a mini version of those two human polls without the balance of the unbiased computers?
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