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re: I have two questions for the rant regarding Ole Miss penalties
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:22 pm to REBSontheRISE
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:22 pm to REBSontheRISE
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but you realize that the people here are fans of schools that we are kicking the arse of with alarming regularity these days. needless to say, there perspectives will be biased as well.
Of course many of their perspectives are biased. I'm trying to triangulate an estimation here. You're also welcome to offer your opinion on the subject.
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Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:23 pm to inelishaitrust
My honest answer is
16 scholarships over 4 years. (5 for two years, 3 for two years) this is 2 for each of the admitted Level I violations.
One year postseason ban. Im on the fence on this. It will either be one or none on a bowl ban
Forfeiture of all games that the Saunders fraudsters played in. Don't think this is in doubt.
16 scholarships over 4 years. (5 for two years, 3 for two years) this is 2 for each of the admitted Level I violations.
One year postseason ban. Im on the fence on this. It will either be one or none on a bowl ban
Forfeiture of all games that the Saunders fraudsters played in. Don't think this is in doubt.
This post was edited on 5/29/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:25 pm to Bama323_15
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No fun as a fan knowing your team has very little chance of being competitive for a few years. At his stage of my life I don't wish that on fans of any school.
Really cool response. Thanks for taking the time.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:27 pm to anc
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My honest answer is 16 scholarships over 4 years. (5 for two years, 3 for two years) One year postseason ban Forfeiture of all games that the Saunders fraudsters played in.
This is what you think will happen? (I assume you mean vacation by forfeiture)
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:32 pm to inelishaitrust
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This is what you think will happen? (I assume you mean vacation by forfeiture)
Yes. I wish they would go back to forfeiture. Has a little more sting than vacated wins but whatever.
It may not be as high as 16. They may take the 11 over 3. I really think wins from '10 -'13 will be vacated. The ACT fraud was rampant it appears.
I also think your womens basketball team gets a severe penalty. I am aware that no one cares.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:35 pm to inelishaitrust
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What do you hope the penalties will be?
11 scholorships over 4 years
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What do you think the penalties will be?
Take the self imposed penalties, and start to investigate harder on Alabama.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:39 pm to anc
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It may not be as high as 16. They may take the 11 over 3. I really think wins from '10 -'13 will be vacated. The ACT fraud was rampant it appears.
I think the NCAA will tack on scholarships. I feel like a two-year bowl ban is worst-case scenario, but not likely. I think a one-year ban would probably be fair, but of course I hope we don't get one. Vacation is silly, but the Academic fraud is definitely the worst act commited, though the one the admin is least responsible for.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:42 pm to anc
It's too early to tell, the investigation reopened on NFL draft night. I still think Ole Miss is shooting low and then can claim to their fans that they get screwed when the NCAA adds more on.
The scholarship reductions do not appear to fit the crimes we know of so far. There was a booster network set up. The car lot, the airport bagman, the hotel and rental house owner. They had the whole spectrum covered. Guys like that are friends of the program and not rogues doing their own thing. The players and parents find out who to go to somehow.
I think it could get bad before it is done. 20+ schollys, 1-2 year bowl ban, hefty fine and vacating wins.
The scholarship reductions do not appear to fit the crimes we know of so far. There was a booster network set up. The car lot, the airport bagman, the hotel and rental house owner. They had the whole spectrum covered. Guys like that are friends of the program and not rogues doing their own thing. The players and parents find out who to go to somehow.
I think it could get bad before it is done. 20+ schollys, 1-2 year bowl ban, hefty fine and vacating wins.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:43 pm to inelishaitrust
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but the Academic fraud is definitely the worst act commited, though the one the admin is least responsible for.
agreed, but thats the only thing that angers me about the whole thing.
Because of the Ayers case, MSU and Ole Miss are the easiest P5 schools to gain admission to, and there is still ACT fraud (and coaches taking classes for players in WBK)?
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:45 pm to inelishaitrust
The accusations seem far worse than those of sc a few years ago with Bush, so I don't know how OM and their fans can expect a punishment any less than was giving to SC who was the bell cow of the PAC12 and the west Compare to OM who is a big deal in northwest Mississippi...
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:46 pm to inelishaitrust
Hate to see sanctions for any kids who were not part of the violations. Disqualify the cheaters, both players and coaching staff. Now for fun: no blazers or pre-perpared food at tailgates. Cook your own like real men.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:49 pm to NtenseTiger
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It's too early to tell, the investigation reopened on NFL draft night
Ole Miss hasn't fired Barney Farrar, which means they're confident they won't get caught. If they get caught lying to the NCAA to go along with this investigation, then the penalties will be so severe it's not even worth discussing them.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:51 pm to DaleDenton
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The accusations seem far worse than those of sc a few years ago with Bush,
How so?
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:52 pm to inelishaitrust
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:53 pm to DaleDenton
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The accusations seem far worse than those of sc a few years ago with Bush,
I don't see it that way at all. being objective when you answer, what accusations make it seem far worse than USC to you? I am trying to be objective too, so I am curious to how you see that. help me understand.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:55 pm to inelishaitrust
Busy was an isolated player involved with an isolated booster.
What made it worse for SC was a similar case with Mayo in basketball at the same time.
The accusations show a more widespread methods of cheating from boosters and more importantly members of the staffs across multiple sports. There is little chance OM dodges the lack of institutional control tag.
What made it worse for SC was a similar case with Mayo in basketball at the same time.
The accusations show a more widespread methods of cheating from boosters and more importantly members of the staffs across multiple sports. There is little chance OM dodges the lack of institutional control tag.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:57 pm to REBSontheRISE
Pay for play is one thing, members of the staff getting act scores for players is a completely different level of cheating that sc wasn't involved in...
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:59 pm to KTownRebel
KClowns melt is so epic.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:59 pm to inelishaitrust
16 scholarships over 4 years, 1 year bowl ban, 2 year show cause for Maurice Harris and Chris Kiffin, and 6 game suspension for the Beaver.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 3:00 pm to DaleDenton
Never know what the NCAA will do but with the amount of Level ones....I'd say the NCAA is laughing at the OM self imposed.
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