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I can't remember the SEC ever being this bad in basketball...
Posted on 12/16/12 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 7:54 am
What has happened to the league? The league was stout in basketball throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s and even as recently as the mid 2000s. The league has gotten progressively worse the last 5 years to the point this year where there are only 3 at most likely tournament teams (Florida, Missouri, Kentucky). The SEC use to be a respectable basketball league. Now it's well behind a lot of the mid major leagues. What happened?
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Posted on 12/16/12 at 7:57 am to Govt Tide
Vandy has been making the tournament every year. I'd lump us into the likely tournament team category; we just don't do anything once we are there. This year might be the first in a while where we don't make the tourney.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:04 am to Athanatos
Well we aren't helping much.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:04 am to Govt Tide
:chickenlittle:
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:06 am to Govt Tide
Rick Stansbury says "Hi".
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:15 am to Athanatos
In the 1960's SEC basketball was really bad.
The 70's saw a change in SEC basketball...
KY was still the power, but in the deep south in BR Dale Brown was the person that changed the face of SEC basketball.
When LSU beat Ky in double over time with it's starting 5 fouled out the league had changed forever. Yes KY would go on and win the NCAA, the out cry from the NCAA holding teams out like LSU changed the format forever.
By the early 80's the SEC really was a super basketball conference, but the NCAA kept putting most of th sec teams in just 2 brackets, which lead to LSU having to face KY 4 times in one year.
The League was forever changed by the coach who said yes we can and he is little remembered.
Every school in the SEC saw what Dale had done at LSU and started to hire good coaches and spend money on basketball by 1980 and to upgrade their home courts.
But I can remember the 60's and the dumps many teams used to play in like LSU's cow palace. Pete built the AC at LSU, but Brown filled it with his running and gun and the freak defense.
The Deaf Dome was born and the song became a pro football teams long after Rudy, Hi C and the rest, but you can still hear if you listen, "Who Dat" "WHo Dat, talking about beating dem Tigers."
The 70's saw a change in SEC basketball...
KY was still the power, but in the deep south in BR Dale Brown was the person that changed the face of SEC basketball.
When LSU beat Ky in double over time with it's starting 5 fouled out the league had changed forever. Yes KY would go on and win the NCAA, the out cry from the NCAA holding teams out like LSU changed the format forever.
By the early 80's the SEC really was a super basketball conference, but the NCAA kept putting most of th sec teams in just 2 brackets, which lead to LSU having to face KY 4 times in one year.
The League was forever changed by the coach who said yes we can and he is little remembered.
Every school in the SEC saw what Dale had done at LSU and started to hire good coaches and spend money on basketball by 1980 and to upgrade their home courts.
But I can remember the 60's and the dumps many teams used to play in like LSU's cow palace. Pete built the AC at LSU, but Brown filled it with his running and gun and the freak defense.
The Deaf Dome was born and the song became a pro football teams long after Rudy, Hi C and the rest, but you can still hear if you listen, "Who Dat" "WHo Dat, talking about beating dem Tigers."
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:19 am to Govt Tide
I like Alabama basketball...but I can't watch it because AG has managed his roster as poorly as it could be managed!
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:21 am to Dawgpile
On the positive side -
The women are doing well in the AP and USA polls
AP polls
# 6 (10-0) Georgia
# 7 (8-1) Kentucky
#13 (6-1) Tennessee
#23 (5-3) Texas A&M
#24 (10-0) South Carolina
#27 (8-1) Arkansas
USA polls
# 6 (8-1) Kentucky
# 7 (10-0) Georgia
#12 (6-1) Tennessee
#18 (10-0) South Carolina
#25 (5-3) Texas A&M
#31 (8-1) Arkansas
Current SEC standings
Georgia 10-0
South Carolina 10-0
Arkansas 8-1 : lone loss to ranked Oklahoma
Kentucky 8-1 : lone loss to top ranked Baylor
Tennessee 6-1 : lone loss at UT - Chattanooga but 3 ranked wins vs the ACC
Missouri 8-2 : loss to GB who went deep in last years NCAA and Gophers
Auburn 7-2 : losses to SDSU and road loss to NCST
Alabama 6-2 : losses to UT - Chattanooga and Wisconsin
Ole Miss 5-2 : 3 pt loss @ LaTech is not bad
Florida 7-3 : loss at home to Arizona State and road losses to Michigan and Florida State
Vanderbilt 7-3 : Loss at undefeated Dayton is acceptable, will wait for the OU game to know how bad the other 2 were
Texas A&M 6-3 : all 3 losses were to Top 10 Teams - Uconn, Penn State, and Louisville
LSU 5-3
Mississippi State 4-5
Right now only 1 team in 14 has a losing record. Maybe Slive meant the women when he made the statement!
The women are doing well in the AP and USA polls
AP polls
# 6 (10-0) Georgia
# 7 (8-1) Kentucky
#13 (6-1) Tennessee
#23 (5-3) Texas A&M
#24 (10-0) South Carolina
#27 (8-1) Arkansas
USA polls
# 6 (8-1) Kentucky
# 7 (10-0) Georgia
#12 (6-1) Tennessee
#18 (10-0) South Carolina
#25 (5-3) Texas A&M
#31 (8-1) Arkansas
Current SEC standings
Georgia 10-0
South Carolina 10-0
Arkansas 8-1 : lone loss to ranked Oklahoma
Kentucky 8-1 : lone loss to top ranked Baylor
Tennessee 6-1 : lone loss at UT - Chattanooga but 3 ranked wins vs the ACC
Missouri 8-2 : loss to GB who went deep in last years NCAA and Gophers
Auburn 7-2 : losses to SDSU and road loss to NCST
Alabama 6-2 : losses to UT - Chattanooga and Wisconsin
Ole Miss 5-2 : 3 pt loss @ LaTech is not bad
Florida 7-3 : loss at home to Arizona State and road losses to Michigan and Florida State
Vanderbilt 7-3 : Loss at undefeated Dayton is acceptable, will wait for the OU game to know how bad the other 2 were
Texas A&M 6-3 : all 3 losses were to Top 10 Teams - Uconn, Penn State, and Louisville
LSU 5-3
Mississippi State 4-5
Right now only 1 team in 14 has a losing record. Maybe Slive meant the women when he made the statement!
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:25 am to tigger1
I fully believe it is on its way up.
I think Arkansas will return to a yearly tournament team with some runs, if recruiting is any indicator.
Bama might be looking for a new coach at the end of the year so who knows with them, maybe they can shed some light there but more than a few of them said preseason this could be a make or break year for Grant, I doubt an NIT trip would suffice.
Tenn will be fine IMO, recruiting well and I like Cuonzo although I'm biased since he coached at my school.
UF and Kentucky are powers and although UK is down a bit down they'll be fine when it matters late in the year, and always recruit above everyone else.
Vandy will probably rebound in another year or two, recent history suggests so.
Mizzou is good, for how long, can't really tell. Seem to be recruiting pretty well so far.
MSU/OM are in trouble for a while, although I think OM fans are content with AK even though he never produces. MSU who knows, won't be near relevant for at least 2+ years.
LSU seems to be on the upswing, with some good recruiting.
A&M I don't think will offer much, probably an Ole Miss type, decent, but not much more than that. UGA is in that group as well, if not closer to the MSU/SC group.
But SC landed a good coach, and he seems to be recruiting well so far (Thronwell and in on some other studs) so in a few years SC can be a bubble NCAAT team and make a few IMO, but we'll see.
Lot of teams have new coaches, whether year one or year two, most of which are recruiting really well. I think Arkansas is the #7 class or around there with 2 of the top bigs in the country coming in, LSU is even higher than us I think, UK is #1, UF is Top 5 I think, Mizzou is Top 20.
It'll be a decently strong conference, but it'll be a few years.
I think Arkansas will return to a yearly tournament team with some runs, if recruiting is any indicator.
Bama might be looking for a new coach at the end of the year so who knows with them, maybe they can shed some light there but more than a few of them said preseason this could be a make or break year for Grant, I doubt an NIT trip would suffice.
Tenn will be fine IMO, recruiting well and I like Cuonzo although I'm biased since he coached at my school.
UF and Kentucky are powers and although UK is down a bit down they'll be fine when it matters late in the year, and always recruit above everyone else.
Vandy will probably rebound in another year or two, recent history suggests so.
Mizzou is good, for how long, can't really tell. Seem to be recruiting pretty well so far.
MSU/OM are in trouble for a while, although I think OM fans are content with AK even though he never produces. MSU who knows, won't be near relevant for at least 2+ years.
LSU seems to be on the upswing, with some good recruiting.
A&M I don't think will offer much, probably an Ole Miss type, decent, but not much more than that. UGA is in that group as well, if not closer to the MSU/SC group.
But SC landed a good coach, and he seems to be recruiting well so far (Thronwell and in on some other studs) so in a few years SC can be a bubble NCAAT team and make a few IMO, but we'll see.
Lot of teams have new coaches, whether year one or year two, most of which are recruiting really well. I think Arkansas is the #7 class or around there with 2 of the top bigs in the country coming in, LSU is even higher than us I think, UK is #1, UF is Top 5 I think, Mizzou is Top 20.
It'll be a decently strong conference, but it'll be a few years.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:32 am to Govt Tide
Let's face it; the SEC is mostly about football. We've have some good basketball and baseball teams but overall the competitiveness in football is much greater.
Football is just a better game from my perspective; it's the happy medium among the 3 sports in terms of speed of the game and distinctiveness of plays discernable by fans. And of course football has 2 things the others do not have: larger venues/stadiums and more physical play. There's a reason why a college football team can fill a stadium with over 100k fans.
Football is just a better game from my perspective; it's the happy medium among the 3 sports in terms of speed of the game and distinctiveness of plays discernable by fans. And of course football has 2 things the others do not have: larger venues/stadiums and more physical play. There's a reason why a college football team can fill a stadium with over 100k fans.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:32 am to UltimateHog
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A&M I don't think will offer much, probably an Ole Miss type, decent, but not much more than that. UGA is in that group as well, if not closer to the MSU/SC group.
We stopped playing hard after Turgeon left. It's like they echo Billy Kennedy's "I don't give a shite, I have Parkinsons" style in their play.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:35 am to davesdawgs
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We've have some good basketball and baseball teams
I think the word you are looking for is great
LSU baseball and UK basketball are elite
below them you have at least 6 teams in each sport who are above average at the national level
Posted on 12/16/12 at 8:39 am to Govt Tide
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The league was stout in basketball throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s and even as recently as the mid 2000s
not really.
The 80's were the only true great decade for SEC Basketball. During that time LSU and UK were powers, Bama was a force, Georgia with Hugh and UT with DeVoe and Florida before Billy all challenged plus Vandy was a Tourney team too
no other SEC decade has compared in terms of sheer numbers of good/great teams
The SEC in the 80's basketball wise was the golden era
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:04 am to stapuffmarshy
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no other SEC decade has compared in terms of sheer numbers of good/great teams
The 90s would like to talk to you, but I know you want to hear none of if because LSU was a shitfest.
Final Four:
1990:
Arkansas - Although not yet in the SEC
1993:
Kentucky
1994:
Arkansas - National Champions
Florida
1995:
Arkansas - National Runner Up
1996:
Kentucky - National Champions
Ms. State
1997:
Kentucky - National Runner-Up
1998:
Kentucky
91,92, and 99 were the only years the SEC didn't have a team in the final four.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:09 am to stapuffmarshy
The bad losses continue...
Georgia loses to Iona last night.
VCU smokes Bama
Miss St. literally suits up 7 or 8 guys. How does that happen?
Auburn is terrible again.
Georgia loses to Iona last night.
VCU smokes Bama
Miss St. literally suits up 7 or 8 guys. How does that happen?
Auburn is terrible again.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:10 am to gatorhead1013
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Miss St. literally suits up 7 or 8 guys. How does that happen?
They force our the greatest coach in their program's history, hire a guy nobody has ever heard of to replace him.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:31 am to Govt Tide
Lets see..
LSU fires their final 4 coach, then hires a mediocre west coast coach, Then they hire some guy from North Texas (another mediocre coach )
bama fires an elite eight coach. Who currently has NC ST. In the top 10. Then hires a coach that has yet to win an NCAA tourney game.
Miss St runs off their most successful coach in history for a nobody.
Mizzou hires a shitty Acc coach and becomes the highest seed to lose in NCAA Tourney history. Jury still out.
But here are the teams improving
Arkansas really impressed with them played 2 top 5 teams tuff (should make the tourney as a bubble team)
Tenn. Idk what to think. Ran off a sweet sixteen coach but the new guy seems decent.
Kentucky elite coach and program.
Carolina is improving every week. We will be a force in a few years. Have an elite coach.
Ole Miss bubble team every year
Vandy will always be solid with Stallings.
Rest our dumpster fires
LSU fires their final 4 coach, then hires a mediocre west coast coach, Then they hire some guy from North Texas (another mediocre coach )
bama fires an elite eight coach. Who currently has NC ST. In the top 10. Then hires a coach that has yet to win an NCAA tourney game.
Miss St runs off their most successful coach in history for a nobody.
Mizzou hires a shitty Acc coach and becomes the highest seed to lose in NCAA Tourney history. Jury still out.
But here are the teams improving
Arkansas really impressed with them played 2 top 5 teams tuff (should make the tourney as a bubble team)
Tenn. Idk what to think. Ran off a sweet sixteen coach but the new guy seems decent.
Kentucky elite coach and program.
Carolina is improving every week. We will be a force in a few years. Have an elite coach.
Ole Miss bubble team every year
Vandy will always be solid with Stallings.
Rest our dumpster fires
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:51 am to DaleDenton
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DaleDenton
You are soooo stupid
Sheer number of good/great teams was my point. Not final four teams
the sec programs of the 80's, all 10 of them, had solid success from top to bottom in the 80's.
While the SEC may have had final four teams in the 90's, the MAJORITY of the rest of the conference sucked...like now
we are talking about top to bottom Dale, not two best teams
eta: It's like saying that since UK won it all last year, the conference is great, which is TOTAL FAILURE
top to bottom the SEC in the 80's was the shite....not really before or after
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:58 am to Gcockboi
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Then they hire some guy from North Texas (another mediocre coach )
It's way to early to say anything, but he brought a losing program at North Texas to making the NCAA tourney and shite. He also had a top 10 recruiting class at LSU this year before he even coached a single game. We are only behind Florida and Kentucky recruiting wise in the SEC.
LSU will be a force in a couple of years DWI
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:59 am to stapuffmarshy
College basketball is judged by tournament success.
I guess, to you, if Bama wins the NC game in January it doesn't mean anything because of all the 0-1 win SEC teams this year. LSU's 07 title doesn't mean anything because they had 2 SEC losses, etc.
I guess, to you, if Bama wins the NC game in January it doesn't mean anything because of all the 0-1 win SEC teams this year. LSU's 07 title doesn't mean anything because they had 2 SEC losses, etc.
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