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re: How would you rank the offensive minds of the SEC West?
Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:13 pm to UMRealist
Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:13 pm to UMRealist
The difference between the organization telling him he can't hack it and him deciding it on his own is not relevant to my point. Him quitting because he couldn't do it supports my point. It didn't mean he can't coach. They are different games.
You are right he wasn't fired. Him quitting on the Dolphins because he made an unfixable mess doesn't mean he can't coach.
You are right he wasn't fired. Him quitting on the Dolphins because he made an unfixable mess doesn't mean he can't coach.
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:22 pm to therick711
well it does matter because you tried to equate him being fired and not being able to coach defense, to Cameron being fired and not being able to coach offense. Saban wasn't fired, and the Dolphins D was actually very good while he was there. The offense was the issue.
I actually think Cam will be good for LSU. I'm just saying your saban argument isn't a good one.
I actually think Cam will be good for LSU. I'm just saying your saban argument isn't a good one.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:23 pm to UMRealist
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I actually think Cam will be good for LSU. I'm just saying your saban argument isn't a good one.
You can keep saying the same thing or you can see that I already acknowledged your point.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 8:40 pm to therick711
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I'd take the godfather of that offense, Leach.
Actually Hal Mumme and Mike Leach both are and they got the roots of that system from what BYU used to do.
Mumme/Leach
Sumlin
Holgerson/Kingsbury
Posted on 4/9/13 at 9:31 pm to Quicksilver
When houston lost Case Keenum they also lost his back up. They finished the season with the towel boy throwing the rock.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 9:33 pm to adammwilson
Nuss only part of one loss, not like the others.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 9:35 pm to Mullen3:16
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2 Beliema/Chaney
3 Freeze
4 Mullen
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6 Nussmeir
Posted on 4/9/13 at 10:26 pm to Mullen3:16
1. Sumlin
2. Malzahn
3. Chaney
4. Nussmeir
5. Freeze
6. Cameron
7. Mullen
2. Malzahn
3. Chaney
4. Nussmeir
5. Freeze
6. Cameron
7. Mullen
Posted on 4/9/13 at 11:37 pm to Tigah32
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1. Sumlin
2. Malzahn
3. Nussmeir
4. Cameron
5. Beliema
6. Freeze
7. Mullen
Put Nussmeir dead last and it will be good. All he does is run the system saban tells him too. It isn't his "mind" at all. Alabama's offense will always be the same as long as saban is there. Doesn't matter who the OC is.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 12:12 am to aw4au14
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Put Nussmeir dead last and it will be good. All he does is run the system saban tells him too. It isn't his "mind" at all. Alabama's offense will always be the same as long as saban is there. Doesn't matter who the OC is.
so because someone runs a scheme it makes them a terrible OC? What about the sequence of plays he calls? What about knowing when to call which play? Which matchup to exploit? I could list a 1,000 more things.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 12:12 am to StrickAggie06
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Am I the only person not convinced Sumlin's an offensive genius just yet? I still remember Houston minus Case Keenum and the 2nd and 3rd string QBs, and forced to play a 4th string true freshman at QB.
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FIFY. Keenum and his backup were both lost to season ending injuries in the same game.
Southern Miss,LSU and Bama(after first Qtr) were not impressed.
Sumlin did not create that offense.
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Am I the only person not convinced Sumlin's an offensive genius just yet? I still remember Houston minus Case Keenum and the 2nd and 3rd string QBs, and forced to play a 4th string true freshman at QB.
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FIFY. Keenum and his backup were both lost to season ending injuries in the same game.
Southern Miss,LSU and Bama(after first Qtr) were not impressed.
Sumlin did not create that offense.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 12:13 am to aw4au14
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Alabama's offense will always be the same as long as saban is there. Doesn't matter who the OC is.
One could say the same thing about Gus and Chiz. Chiz was the real brains in that one. He just got tired of not getting the credit he deserved for that team so he ran Gus out. He then sabotaged last season on purpose, knowing that Gus would be the obvious choice for his replacement. Of course Chiz knew that Gus would have no chance of success without him. Setting him up for failure was part of Chiz's long play con. Chiz needed to expose Gus "High School" Malzahn as the fraud he was in order to eliminate him as a threat to his power.
Unfortunately, the taste of 2012 season will still prevent many from wanting to rehire Chiz as the HC. This is why he committed numerous NCAA infractions while at Auburn then secretly reported these infractions to Selena Roberts by impersonating various former Auburn players during recorded phone interviews. He needed Auburn to get in deep shite with the NCAA after Gus was out of the picture so the job would be undesirable for any qualified candidate, thus paving the way for Chiz's glorious return.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:17 am to Wrenchruh
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One could say the same thing about Gus and Chiz. Chiz was the real brains in that one. He just got tired of not getting the credit he deserved for that team so he ran Gus out. He then sabotaged last season on purpose, knowing that Gus would be the obvious choice for his replacement. Of course Chiz knew that Gus would have no chance of success without him. Setting him up for failure was part of Chiz's long play con. Chiz needed to expose Gus "High School" Malzahn as the fraud he was in order to eliminate him as a threat to his power.
Unfortunately, the taste of 2012 season will still prevent many from wanting to rehire Chiz as the HC. This is why he committed numerous NCAA infractions while at Auburn then secretly reported these infractions to Selena Roberts by impersonating various former Auburn players during recorded phone interviews. He needed Auburn to get in deep shite with the NCAA after Gus was out of the picture so the job would be undesirable for any qualified candidate, thus paving the way for Chiz's glorious return.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:45 am to Mullen3:16
quote:What's Sumlin done without someone named Holgorsen, Keenum and Manziel around? He's been at the right place at the right time with the luck and fortune to have had one exceptional Offensive Coordinator and two exceptional quarterbacks.
1 Sumlin
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:07 am to Bernie Moore
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Southern Miss,LSU and Bama(after first Qtr)were not impressed.
I'm confused. Does the first quarter count?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:12 am to BRAVEHEART
I guess it's possible that Sumlin's the luckiest coach in the league.
But since that luck's been trending for years now, we might as well consider a trait.
So we're still left with the same result--Sumlin's offenses routinely rank above the rest, mainly due to Sumlin's unwavering luck, but that's where they sit nonetheless.
But since that luck's been trending for years now, we might as well consider a trait.
So we're still left with the same result--Sumlin's offenses routinely rank above the rest, mainly due to Sumlin's unwavering luck, but that's where they sit nonetheless.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:18 am to DWag215
I think the point is that the O is so random that no one spends time preparing for it. It works until it doesn't, teams like atm have to rely on something like that to compete.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:22 am to Mullen3:16
If Alabama's OC isn't at least top 3..then the list is broken.....
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:23 am to Mullen3:16
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2 Beliema/Chaney
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