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re: How was the Alabama player not ejected?

Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:45 pm to
Posted by darkhorse
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:45 pm to
Uh... no. Its not about a live ball. He targeted the head with his helmet and left his feet to do it.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:46 pm to
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Uh... no. Its not about a live ball


uh...yes. It was a live ball.
Posted by DawgFanDave
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:46 pm to
Because they're Alabama?
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:48 pm to
Omg.... lol!!! Hitting him hard is not the issue. The issue is he went after the head and did so with his head lowered, using the crown of the helmet. He then launched himself. Targeting.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:50 pm to
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He then launched himself.


He only left his feet after he made the hit.

quote:

The issue is he went after the head and did so with his head lowered, using the crown of the helmet.


He put his head in the guys chest.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:52 pm to
I think it should have been flagged for targeting, but it does look like he hit him more in the chest than the head or neck area.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23711 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:53 pm to
Aubies have NO credibility on this issue. Where were they all worried about player safety when Nick Fairley was clearly out to hurt people?

They were all over the place defending the thug that is where they were.

True the targeting rule was not in effect,but intentionally trying to injure someone is the act of someone with mental issues.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:55 pm to
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If you go by the definition of the rule, it was targeting. He wasn't on the ground but it was very obvious he wasn't going anywhere. That made him defenseless as per the rule. It's a dumb rule anyway. There's a reason why we invented helmets for this game.




By the definition of the rule a state player was targeted.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:58 pm to
SISSYCOCK FAN

Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 12:59 pm to
frick that. I am glad that are guy was trying to get the ball. That is his job. There are hard hits in football, and some of them, believe it or not, are legal.

Yall are telling me that Jones should have let the returner catch a live ball on a kickoff and not do his damnedest to get possession of that ball? That is just insane. INSANE.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

Funky Tide 8


According to a handout produced by College Football Officiating, LLC, if officials see the following things, the risk of a targeting foul is high:
• Launching toward an opponent to make contact in the head or neck area. He Did that.

• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust with contact at the head or neck area.

Leading with the helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow into the head or neck area. He did that. Replay shows it.

Lowering the head before attacking and initiating with the crown of the helmet.


He certainly did that. Just in case you don't know, the crown is the top of the helmet.
Posted by The Calvin
Member since Jun 2013
5240 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:04 pm to
It could have been called but it was close..nice hit
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:06 pm to
Jones did a great job. I just think by definition of the rule, there was a strong case for it to be flagged. He lowered his head, and lunged at a defenseless player, though contact looked to be more in the chest area.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:06 pm to
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Funky Tide 8


No, it's simply the rule. He could have hit him hard without targeting him. No issue with hitting hard.

So once again, AS AN ALABAMA FAN PONTED OUT HERE BEFORE SEASON: THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE ON THE RULE

quote:

Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent
with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6)

(A.R. 9-1-3-I)

PENALTY—15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding
spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other
rules.
For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder of the
game. For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of
the game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second
half of the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall
serve the suspension during the first game of the following season. The
disqualification is subject to review by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5-f). [S38,
S24 and S47]
For games in which Instant Replay is not used: If a player is disqualified
in the second half, the conference may consult the national coordinator of
football officials who would then facilitate a video review. Based on the
review, if the national coordinator concludes that the player should not
have been disqualified, the conference may vacate the suspension. If the
national coordinator supports the disqualification, the suspension for the
next game will remain.


He lowered his HEAD and LED with the CROWN of his helmet.

Nothing else matters. FLAG just for that, Ejection JUST for that. Nothing in that says anything about a LIVE ball. Not one damn thing!
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:13 pm to
Just watched it again. Jones puts his helmet in the returners shoulder, exactly where he tries to catch the ball. He leaves his feet, but only after he makes the hit.

It was legal. It was a damn near perfect hit. Great play by Jones.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:17 pm to
Because he plays for Alabama and can get away with it? Is that the answer you were looking for? Because I'm not just humoring you, we all know it is true and I love it.
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

Launching toward an opponent to make contact in the head or neck area. He Did that.


The only contact above the returner's shoulders was after the recoil and completely incidental. Jones didn't leave his feet until after contact.

quote:

Lowering the head before attacking and initiating with the crown of the helmet.


Jones did lower his head but made impact with his shoulder.


I'd certainly have understood if they had thrown the flag live but he shouldn't have been ejected. Alahunter may have posted it but the angle shown at the end of the 3rd quarter gives the best view of the hit.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Just watched it again. Jones puts his helmet in the returners shoulder, exactly where he tries to catch the ball.


I have watched it. I watched it on live on the field. NOTHING about what you just posted matters on thing. NODDA..

He lowered his helmet and hit with the CROWN of his helmet. That is article 3 on it posted above. NOTHING else matters about the play but that.

But that's not all.. but just that is enough.

Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52666 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

He lowered his helmet and hit with the CROWN of his helmet.


I guess he kind of lowered it, but he put it into his shoulder. Big fricking deal. If that's the rule, then I am really glad that they didnt call. That is dumb.

GREAT play by Jones. Loved it.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 11/17/13 at 1:29 pm to
Targeting and Initiating Contact with the Crown of the Helmet (Rule 9-1-3)
Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4).
No change to the statements of the fouls. Changes to the penalty statements in bold:

PENALTY - 15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down
for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for
the remainder of the game. For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of
the game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second half of the last game
of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension during the first game
of the following season. The disqualification is subject to review by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5-
f).
For games in which Instant Replay is not used: If a player is disqualified in the second half, the
conference may consult the national coordinator of football officials who would then facilitate a
video review. Based on the review, if the national coordinator concludes that the player should
not have been disqualified, the conference may vacate the suspension. If the national coordinator
supports the disqualification, the suspension for the next game would remain.  

Notes to 9-1-3 and 9-1-4
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking
with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing
the ball.
Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward
thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head
or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or
neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had
time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick.
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been
stopped.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession
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