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re: How many Alabama players would be suspended if put in Florida's shoes?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:20 pm to Commander Data
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:20 pm to Commander Data
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I hate reading your threads. This is the kind of thread a barner would start. You knew this would be a bash Saban thread before you hit submit yet did it anyway. What the frick is wrong with you bro?
But he's an OBJECTIVE Bama fan.......
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm all for giving guys a 2nd chance and not making them miss games.
Yeah, but it is hard for me to believe Saban and every other coach in the country does not use teachable moments throughout the year to inform these young men what the parameters are with respect to conduct. With that said, they should understand that there are repercussions to poor decision making and/or unlawful behavior.
My thing with Saban is that he has such a confrontational relationship with the press that he can sometimes go too far in the "I am in charge, not you" position to do what may be the right thing in some cases.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
If he played for anyone else but Bammer, you'd scream for him to be tarred and feathered.
Dumb hypocrite.
Dumb hypocrite.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:47 am to memphisplaya
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Well it depends. Did they sweat in the sun or sit in the A/C?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 7:46 am to KennesawTiger
Actually don't y'all have 6 players or something being sat for this game. I don't recall any Bama fans starting threads about whatever it is they did.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 7:57 am to bamasgot13
Tennessee 2007 was his first year. He didn't have the clout he does now. So the answer is none. They'd all play.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:23 am to PeaRidgeWatash
You are wrong. The players were sat for NCAA reasons, and he had all the CLOUT he needed to do what he wanted as far as players sitting or not.
The potential NCAA violations will get Bama players on the bench no matter who.
The potential NCAA violations will get Bama players on the bench no matter who.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:44 am to KennesawTiger
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If he played for anyone else but Bammer, you'd scream for him to be tarred and feathered.
Unless there was a team vote, in that case....
dumb corndog...
Posted on 8/31/17 at 9:39 am to FourThreeForty
'bout tree-fitty
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:03 am to CapstoneGrad06
Hijack: You have an email address? I have a Geotech question.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:04 am to FourThreeForty
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Alabama was barely ranked if that before the Tennessee game.
That was 100+ wins ago.
You asked what would happen if Bama was in Florida's shoes. Sid gave you a very similar situation for Bama and explained what happened. You failed, post less.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:27 am to StopRobot
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You asked what would happen if Bama was in Florida's shoes. Sid gave you a very similar situation for Bama and explained what happened. You failed, post less.
To be fair he was right. Saban has said himself he has adopted a policy more and more about not missing game time recently. Saban literally said he doesn't want to punish the team for the players mistake, that's horse shite and everyone knows it. Imo that's Bs, one of the things he did recently was his player did something like 20 hours of ride along time with a cop for a dui.
First off, how is that a punishment for a football coach to hand out?
Secondly, I agree all players on all teams care about is game time. And practice if that means missing game time. As a football coach and a leader of the university PR machine for many of these schools, you should be punishing your players in the manner they truly care about and that most affects them in order to actually try to curb the behavior. The idea that a players isn't going to drink and drive because of some extra hard practices and a cop ride along is simply laughable.
This post was edited on 8/31/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:45 am to KennesawTiger
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If he played for anyone else but Bammer, you'd scream for him to be tarred and feathered.
Well, that isn't true. But sure why not.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:47 am to baldona
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To be fair he was right. Saban has said himself he has adopted a policy more and more about not missing game time recently. Saban literally said he doesn't want to punish the team for the players mistake, that's horse shite and everyone knows it. Imo that's Bs, one of the things he did recently was his player did something like 20 hours of ride along time with a cop for a dui. First off, how is that a punishment for a football coach to hand out? Secondly, I agree all players on all teams care about is game time. And practice if that means missing game time. As a football coach and a leader of the university PR machine for many of these schools, you should be punishing your players in the manner they truly care about and that most affects them in order to actually try to curb the behavior. The idea that a players isn't going to drink and drive because of some extra hard practices and a cop ride along is simply laughable.
None of that matters in this case. This is a possible NCAA issue. NCAA issues and character/discipline issues are completely different. We would sit the guys the same way Florida would as we have in the past.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:04 am to baldona
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The idea that a players isn't going to drink and drive because of some extra hard practices and a cop ride along is simply laughable.
So since Florida is sitting people, can we assume they won't have any more issues after this?
For other programs that make people miss playing time, do they ever have that offense repeated?
Players are going to do stupid stuff because they think they won't get caught. They don't do things because they have factored in what they think the punishment from Coach is going to be.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:48 am to baldona
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To be fair he was right. Saban has said himself he has adopted a policy more and more about not missing game time recently. Saban literally said he doesn't want to punish the team for the players mistake, that's horse shite and everyone knows it. Imo that's Bs, one of the things he did recently was his player did something like 20 hours of ride along time with a cop for a dui. First off, how is that a punishment for a football coach to hand out?
Secondly, I agree all players on all teams care about is game time. And practice if that means missing game time. As a football coach and a leader of the university PR machine for many of these schools, you should be punishing your players in the manner they truly care about and that most affects them in order to actually try to curb the behavior. The idea that a players isn't going to drink and drive because of some extra hard practices and a cop ride along is simply laughable.
One, This isnt an issue like getting in a fight in a bar or a dui or smoking pot. Its an NCAA issue. The textbook issue for Bama and the debit card issue for Florida are the exact same. Its players abusing the system for extra benefits. You HAVE to suspend them.
Second, regardless of the facts surrounding this, you are just wrong. Saban suspended Alphonse Taylor, a starter, vs USC last year. Now here is where instead of admitting you were wrong you either ignore it or move the goal posts.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:51 am to StopRobot
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Its an NCAA issue. The textbook issue for Bama and the debit card issue for Florida are the exact same. Its players abusing the system for extra benefits. You HAVE to suspend them.
Wouldnt it be fraud or credit card fraud, thats a bit more than a NCAA issue. The textbook thing, they supposedly gave alll the books back, right?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:52 am to NYCAuburn
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Wouldnt it be fraud or credit card fraud, thats a bit more than a NCAA issue. The textbook thing, they supposedly gave alll the books back, right?
Yes it's a legal issue too. I think the point is at this stage in the game they don't know enough to confirm it isn't ALSO a NCAA issue, and in that situation you have to sit them. Anybody with a brain and a competent compliance office would do it.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:02 pm to StopRobot
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One, This isnt an issue like getting in a fight in a bar or a dui or smoking pot. Its an NCAA issue. The textbook issue for Bama and the debit card issue for Florida are the exact same. Its players abusing the system for extra benefits. You HAVE to suspend them.
Second, regardless of the facts surrounding this, you are just wrong. Saban suspended Alphonse Taylor, a starter, vs USC last year. Now here is where instead of admitting you were wrong you either ignore it or move the goal posts.
Oooh you got me buddy. How was I wrong? Saban literally said he prefers to not suspend players from games. Just because Saban suspended one player from a game, does not make what I say wrong. Saban said it himself, he prefers not to that is what I said.
Pointing out one or two times when Saban did suspend players doesn't make up for the countless times that he did not.
Would Saban suspend players in this case? I have no idea, probably. But if anything I think we can all agree that Saban is least likely to suspend someone from a game in the SEC.
Are the Debit card things a definite NCAA issue? I haven't been paying attention so I honestly don't know?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:07 pm to FourThreeForty
we went thru this in 2007, lost quite a few starters and quite a few games because of it. Mcelwain was there and remembers the outcome.
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