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Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:02 am to Scoreboard
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:02 am to Scoreboard
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They deserve the presumption of innocence until proven guilty just like you, me, and everyone else.
Hey bama athlete who never has been accused of raping someone checking in again... You've totally confused public opinion with a court room. I don't have to presume anybody as not guilty, in fact I'm beginning to suspect you've raped before... and will again.
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:49 am to Scoreboard
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So what you're saying is that once you're accused, there's no way to win. If you're convicted, you probably did it. If you aren't convicted, you probably did it but there's a cover-up and a rape culture
No, that's not exactly what we are saying. What we are saying is that this is a story, only because the accusations are now that there was a massive "cover up", and that many players were never punished, and rape charges were "swept under the rug". So, just because no one was ever tried and convicted, doesn't mean that there wasn't something foul going on at UT. IF there was a systemic cover up going on, and rapes were never investigated, or punished accordingly- then yes, UT deserves to be on the hot seat here.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:22 am to Scoreboard
Dude it's a rape culture. Deal with it. PSU type coverup.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:25 am to lsufan31
Butch suspended any players allegedly involved immediately. So what else was he supposed to do exactly?
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:27 am to thefloydian
Your links are an example of what is wrong with all the premature condemnation of Tennessee. This lawsuit is a money grab, and its allegations are simply that - lawsuit allegations. Yet so much of the media and the public are believing every word and acting as if it's all proven fact, when it isn't.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:34 am to VFL1800FPD
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Butch suspended any players allegedly involved immediately. So what else was he supposed to do exactly?
Out of genuine curiosity:
How many of these situations were investigated via the required Title IX process? Of those, how many resulted in the player being found responsible? In situations where the player was found responsible, what were the disciplinary actions taken?
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:38 am to Scoreboard
I think that the allegation is that most of the incidents were covered up so we wouldn't know that much about them.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:55 am to Scoreboard
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This lawsuit is a money grab
So you're implying that all 8 of these UT students, all 8 girls conspired and made these allegations up to get a little cash? These are UT college coeds... not a stripper like the Duke case nor a single mentally unstable individual like the UVA case.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 9:04 am to bamawriter
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How many of these situations were investigated via the required Title IX process?
We don't know. That's what lawsuit is about. I hope all of them, but I fear that's not the case.
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Of those, how many resulted in the player being found responsible?
Well, at least 2.
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In situations where the player was found responsible, what were the disciplinary actions taken?
Every player accused of sexual assault was suspended or dismissed pending the investigation. I don't know what else Butch Jones was supposed to do here?
Posted on 2/26/16 at 9:07 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Every player accused of sexual assault was suspended or dismissed pending the investigation.
Suspended or dismissed from the football team, or from school?
It's great that UT dumped these guys from the team. That's more than many schools have done. But that action didn't come as a result of any Title IX investigation.
And which two were found responsible under Title IX?
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/26/16 at 9:18 am to Iron Lion
The real issue here is if there is a culture of enabling players to think they can almost get away with doing things like this, if so then fix the problem and do what needs to be done. Another problem with some of the people on this board is they just want to cast charges at Tenn just because they view them as the enemy. If Tenn is really trying to correct and fix the problem then start making a effort to do a even better job of it. I suggest they might start by better vetting the athletes that they do bring in. If even just one or a couple of the so called victims are really the innocent victims they claim they are then that is to many and Tenn must do a better job of it. Paying through the nose to a bunch of lawsuits is not the real solution. I for one hope that Tenn will jump on this problem and do the best job possible with such a complex situation.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 9:40 am to Thegroundhawgboar
The wonderful thing is, the UT admin does not have a history of handling major situations well in terms of responding to the surges and asserting innocence in the media. We can always look forward to a screw up. I do not believe the so called "rape culture" at UT is any different from the environment of any major D1 school with a successful football program.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 9:52 am to Scoreboard
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Your links are an example of what is wrong with all the premature condemnation of Tennessee. This lawsuit is a money grab, and its allegations are simply that - lawsuit allegations. Yet so much of the media and the public are believing every word and acting as if it's all proven fact, when it isn't.
That is for the courts to decide.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:05 am to Scoreboard
frig off ricky
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:06 am to VFL1800FPD
Not any different? Come on, just off the cuff I can tell tou a difference. For one instance facing one's accuser in a University discipline setting. That in itself is wrong. Use your imagination and use some empathy and put yourself in the young girls position. The accused having a right to face their accuser in a legal court yes but in that type of setting she would be humiliated and made to feel like the accused and not the victim and this would inhibit young girls with their emotions coming forward and pressing charges. This part of the Tenn process needs to be fixed yesterday. We live in a imperfect world and we can't fix everything but we can do the best that we can do. Tenn has work to do.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:11 am to Thegroundhawgboar
didnt' daniel hood stand around (or help? idk) someone stick a plunger up his 13 year old cousin? He may not have raped someone but he's damn sure partiall responsible.
Didn't jason respert force himself onto someone while at ut?
And this "culture" goes beyond rape. I'm sure there's probably more instances but I don't feel like researching other than what's above. Moreover, you just have a thug culture in general. You ahve football players ROBBING GAS STATIONS. WITH GUNS. Then try to intimidate the gas station owner into keeping quiet. You have a mile long list of former UT stars injure or kill people. Donte Stallworth, albert haynesworht, and many others. YOu ahve other UT athletes sucker punching and knocking a student unconcious at the rec bball courts, while everyone just stood around while the guy was potentially dead on the floor.
But all this is condoned, if not celebrated. We all give auburn grief for their "fambly" mantra, but UT may have actually perfected it first. "Don't take sides with anyone against the family ever again. Ever"
Didn't jason respert force himself onto someone while at ut?
And this "culture" goes beyond rape. I'm sure there's probably more instances but I don't feel like researching other than what's above. Moreover, you just have a thug culture in general. You ahve football players ROBBING GAS STATIONS. WITH GUNS. Then try to intimidate the gas station owner into keeping quiet. You have a mile long list of former UT stars injure or kill people. Donte Stallworth, albert haynesworht, and many others. YOu ahve other UT athletes sucker punching and knocking a student unconcious at the rec bball courts, while everyone just stood around while the guy was potentially dead on the floor.
But all this is condoned, if not celebrated. We all give auburn grief for their "fambly" mantra, but UT may have actually perfected it first. "Don't take sides with anyone against the family ever again. Ever"
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:18 am to WG_Dawg
And thus my point about the hate on here from the above post. Instead of condemning, why not focus on fixing the problems and doing the right thing, starting now. As I mentioned before one can start by vetting these athletes. That doesn't mean you will filter out all the chaff but it does mean you can improve the situation. Some people talk about second chances on here but in reality some of these high school thugs don't merit a first chance. They don't belong in a college setting Just because they can run a 4.4 forty or bench press a mountain is no reason to bring in a round peg and try to squeeze him in a square hole. Especially if you are jealous of your school's image and want to put on the best face possible. That is it. I am through preaching and I know that comes as a relief to some of you guys.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:26 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Every player accused of sexual assault was suspended or dismissed pending the investigation
publically accused. I personally haven't read all of the documents for the civil suit, but, I believe I read some where, that the women in this complaint are claiming that 1) not all rapes were investigated, or investigated properly and 2) that players were not always punished when accused of rape.
I'm not taking either side here- but you cant just make a blanket statement that if no charges were filed, and no one was convicted- that this is a frivolous lawsuit. OJ Simpson was never convicted of murder, but there was a huge civil suit, that found him responsible for wrongful death. The burden of proof is way different for one, than it is the other.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:44 pm to WG_Dawg
Do you remember when Crowell was busted for having a gun with a filed off serial number? Do you remember Jonathan Taylor? You realize the gas station robbing with PELLET GUNS was under a coaching staff that is 2 staffs removed from being at UT? And sure act like no other school has dirty players, or ex players that have murdered people (which you have to go back to the 90s to find). Remember last year when you knocked out out shy Tuttle for the rest of the year with a dirty hit from behind? This shite happens everywhere. From 2010 to 2015 UGA was tied for 3rd in # of arrests in CF. When you get a bunch of kids together from various backgrounds and give them relative freedom, chances are you will have some stupid decisions made. You can find rape accusations and domestic violence at any school if you look for it.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:05 am to Scoreboard
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Your links are an example of what is wrong with all the premature condemnation of Tennessee. This lawsuit is a money grab, and its allegations are simply that - lawsuit allegations. Yet so much of the media and the public are believing every word and acting as if it's all proven fact, when it isn't.
Yeah, it's all just a big conspiracy.
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