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re: Henry will have a good career in the NFL
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:25 pm to Kcoyote
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:25 pm to Kcoyote
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Tell me one reason why he wouldn't. Something of substance please, if you can handle that.
Upright runner and ok speed
Doesn't run behind his shoulder pads and this will NOT fly in NFL.
Only chance is to go to a really good team that won't need just him.
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:26 pm to lsusteve1
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ok speed
Wanna know how I know you're dumb?
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:26 pm to Kcoyote
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First off, nowhere did I say he would be an All-pro back. I simply meant he will be a first line running back and a successful one at that. That's it. I never claimed he would be breaking records and setting the world on fire. I think you misunderstood my meaning of "every down back". I didn't mean he was going to be a focal point of an offense, I meant that he is versatile as hell because of his skills as a runner and a blocker. He has the tools to be a bruiser, and although you may disagree on his speed, he is pretty damn fast.
He's a versatile player and is suited to handle the big boys of the NFL.
He's not a versatile player though. He's a role player at the next level. Look at a list of the top 40 running backs in the NFL right now. They are all quicker than Henry. They all have wiggle in the back field to some degree. Henry doesn't. That's not speed. His speed is fine. He's probably top line about what Marshan Lynch is. But do you see the way Lynch dances in the backfield? Henry can't do that. With good blocking and a good head of steam, you're absolutely right, he'll be able to handle NFL linebackers for a couple years. They don't build them like Henry very often. He's a special talent in that regard. It'll also help as a pass blocker to some degree, but lack of quickness in the check down role at the NFL is also a problem. Teams often want a scat back that can chip and peel out, as that's more important with a collapsing pocket. Most third down backs are scat backs. Henry isn't changing that. In college you'll often see Henry type backs eat up linebackers. It's not that way in the pros. The majority of NFL linebackers are bigger than Henry.
This is where Bama fans show how little they know about the NFL. They are so used to seeing 5 star talent dominate little sisters of the poor and then LSU once a year they think all weaknesses won't be magnified in the NFL. Every last gump on this board thought AJ McCarron would be a better NFL QB than Manziel. Hell, McCarron's not even better than Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater or Blaine Gabbert. And anyone that wasn't screaming that AJ deserved the Heisman like all the gumps could have told you why. He didn't have a quick release. Can't drive the deep ball or even the medium out. His balls sat in the air forever unless he could step completely step in to it. And a less than mediocre athlete. At Bama, when he had play action roll out the majority of the time, and he was throwing to elite receivers that could win deep balls on athleticism or speed alone, this didn't matter. Every draft profile on McCarron talked about his arm strength and complete lack of vertical threat. Gumps would dismiss this because they remember him getting a four or five foot head start take a full wind up uncontested and heaving a bomb to Amari Cooper. The gumps saw a ball in the air for 50 yards and thought everyone was crazy for saying he didn't have an NFL arm. The same phenomena is at work here.
Henry is a freak. Absolutely one of the best football players I've ever seen. At the same time I know he's not going to be anything special in the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:28 pm to Lieutenant Dan
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Wanna know how I know you're dumb?
It's "ok"
Not a blazer by any means
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:35 pm to Lieutenant Dan
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Shaun Alexander says hi.
Shaun Alexander, much like DeMarco Murray, needed a dominant offensive line. Without Steve Hutchinson, Shaun Alexander was horrendous and DeMarco went from being the NFL's leading rusher to 4th string when he stopped running behind the Cowboys line.
Even then, Henry's wiggle is noticeably lacking compared to those two. But much like those two, with a good offensive line, Henry will see some success in the NFL. If he gets to the second level unimpeded he'll be able to break tackles from linebackers and DBs that most running backs can't.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:40 pm to TeLeFaWx
Hopefully someone takes a flyer on him late 2nd so he can go to a good team. I don't think it is a coincidence that the earliest running backs taken (Ingram and Richardson) had some struggles because of the teams they were taken too. Ingram fought through his struggles, and Trent just lost everything after his deficiencies piled up. Lacy saw success with GB, and Henry has the same chance to succeed.
I appreciate your comments, although I think you're projecting a bit with the AJ stuff and the all Bammers are extreme homers bit. I have realistic expectations for Henry in the NFL, and I think he can meet them.
I appreciate your comments, although I think you're projecting a bit with the AJ stuff and the all Bammers are extreme homers bit. I have realistic expectations for Henry in the NFL, and I think he can meet them.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:42 pm to Kcoyote
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Hopefully someone takes a flyer on him late 2nd so he can go to a good team. I don't think it is a coincidence that the earliest running backs taken (Ingram and Richardson) had some struggles because of the teams they were taken too. Ingram fought through his struggles, and Trent just lost everything after his deficiencies piled up. Lacy saw success with GB, and Henry has the same chance to succeed.
I appreciate your comments, although I think you're projecting a bit with the AJ stuff and the all Bammers are extreme homers bit. I have realistic expectations for Henry in the NFL, and I think he can meet them.
What percent of gumps believed McCarron would be an NFL QB?
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:45 pm to TeLeFaWx
Most saw him as a career backup, and I'm not joking. We were happy to see him drafted. There may have been one or two that were throwing longshots that he'd be the next Brady or some shite, but it wasn't the majority.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:00 pm to Kcoyote
if you can get north south in the NFL you can have success.
But IDK if he is the kind of running back that makes a team commit to the run.
But IDK if he is the kind of running back that makes a team commit to the run.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:11 pm to Kcoyote
No one expected McCarron to succeed in the NFL. As far a Henry goes. I think he does alright. Probably can play a long time. I don't think he's a 3 down back in the NFL though. If Drake had played well this year, I feel he would have been in for most 3rd downs. He can be a star in the right system. Maybe a pistol or at least a good offensive line that does a good job of controlling the line of scrimmage. He will always have some problems with negative plays. He runs upright and has to build up a head of steam. Also has no wiggle and will be a liability running outside plays in NFL. One thing that can make him successful at the next level is speed. He has at least 4.5 max speed. When he gets to the second level he's almost at full speed. Physical against next level an can outrun most college safeties and linebackers. Will be harder to do in pros but but will make teams pay by continuously allowing him to get to the next level. Excellent in pass protection and always knows assignment. Henry is a hard worker and has great intangibles. He is a system back, which is ok because he has skill sets that are desirable in the NFL but the right team is imperative.
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:18 pm to Kcoyote
Dude is going in the 3rd round, he'll have a decent 5 year career.
LF is a top 10 pick
End of story
LF is a top 10 pick
End of story
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:26 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Every last gump on this board thought AJ McCarron would be a better NFL QB than Manziel. Hell, McCarron's not even better than Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater or Blaine Gabbert.
So far, Manziel isn't as good as Taylor, Bridgewater, or Gabbert either. Actually. The only insult out those three is Gabbert.
In fact, if you talked to most GMs, I almost guarantee they would take McCarron over Manziel if given the choice to start a team.
If Dalton had started the year poorly, there was legitimate discussion in Cincy that McCarron would start in his place.
I watch a crap ton of NFL football. I've had 9 fantasy teams the past 2 years, and made the playoffs in 7 of them. I pay attention, and know what I'm watching.
You apparently enjoy talking out of your arse when you think you are talking to people who don't watch the NFL. Because they won't be able to call you on your bullshite.
Well, you've been called.
Re: Henry's pro prospects.
The average NFL LB is shrinking. Many OLBs are now around 240, even Mikes are in the 245 range now. There are still a few 260 LB thumpers, but not as many as there were 10 years ago. It's a passing league now, and they want more athletic guys in there to cover RBs and TEs. There is also dearth of RB talent compared to the 00s, they don't need thumpers because there aren't many RBs capable of being that dangerous between the tackles anymore.
Henry will be a fine pro back. Because of the shrinking defenders he can still be an effective big body. Beyond that. He is faster than Marshawn Lynch, his stride is deceiving. At full speed his foot touches ground every 7.3 ft, that's a huge stride. He is the best pass blocker at his position in the draft, and he actually has great hands. He can catch very well. Plus, he is fantastic in the open field becauseHe understands angles, balance, and his length gives him a nasty stiff arm.
Negatives. Lack of quick twitch reflexes, both in his feet and hips. Prevents smooth lateral quickness, and causes a lack of burst on occasion. Vision is great in open field because of height, but comparatively seems to be lacking in the backfield. Especially in traffic. Vision is adequate, but should be better. Easy to bring down if hit too low. Upright style is fine in open field, but gets too upright too quickly.
He will be a late 2nd-early 4th round pick, unless he runs a 4.45 or under. I personally think he will be in the 4.48-4.52 range. He is faster than Ingram, Trent, Lacy, and Yeldon. But his 10 yard split is going to be slower. If he were to bring that down, he could run an amazing time for his size.
I think he has a fine NFL career. He is more physically talented than a guy like Legarrette Blount, and instead of baggage, he brings a great attitude and work ethic.
I will agree with your 5-6 yr window as a starter. As a big guy, he will take hits that so far he managed to miss in college. Those hits will limit his longevity. Plus, RBs just aren't lasting as long as they used to. 5-6 yrs is a solid career at the position these days. Long enough to get that big contract once, and move on.
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:30 pm to mikeb0870
I didn't realize that the people on this board are great to recognize how Henry is going to do in the NFL because of his speed and he cannot juke a db or safety to get extra yardage, You can take all that you think you know about Henry and throw it in the trash, I remember another RB all the know it alls said basically the same thing you are saying he was not that fast he could cut and cause a lb, db,or safety to miss of get a few more yards after contact, I told my son that Dallas just hit the jackpot the rb was Emmit smith
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:34 pm to mikeb0870
I didn't realize that the people on this board are great to recognize how Henry is going to do in the NFL because of his speed and he cannot juke a db or safety to get extra yardage, You can take all that you think you know about Henry and throw it in the trash, I remember another RB all the know it alls said basically the same thing you are saying he was not that fast he could cut and cause a lb, db,or safety to miss of get a few more yards after contact, I told my son that Dallas just hit the jackpot the rb was Emmit smith and what about big Earl out of Texas.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:40 pm to TeLeFaWx
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What percent of gumps believed McCarron would be an NFL QB?
Well he IS a QB in the NFL so those who said that weren't wrong. But seriously, he's making millions of dollars by just sitting on the bench. Not a bad job.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 12:12 am to c on z
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running upright
Didn't work so well for Eric Dickerson did it?
Posted on 12/13/15 at 12:36 am to Kcoyote
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Most saw him as a career backup, and I'm not joking. We were happy to see him drafted. There may have been one or two that were throwing longshots that he'd be the next Brady or some shite, but it wasn't the majority.
Quotes from gumps on the SEC Rant from a quick Google search about AJ being an NFL starter. There were some gump posts that weren't like the following, but I'd say it was only like 5-10%
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Matt Ryan and AJ are the same Caliber QB. Decent arm and will succeed with superior weapons.
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There is no doubt, he is the best QB in the SEC and he is top three in the country.
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hes got the brain and the arm to do it. i'll be looking forward to seeing him play on sundays. in the mean time, i hope he stays his last year in tuscaloosa
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No one I've heard but people who don't care about the NFL in the state think he's a top 5 pick...that's just stupid
^^^a gump said this. Some of y'all aren't dumb
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QBs can make a seriously huge impact on draft position at the Combine, he will win the interview for EVERY team, with training he will look good as a thrower
He has a very natural quick release and makes good decisions (good INT %)
Can we at least wait till the Combine PLEEEAAASE?
But then the same poster followed it up with this. So not that smart.
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I think that he is a 1st round pick. Dont know why anyone would think otherwise.
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He can make NFL throws with a step into it and hape already has quick release and really great QB vision
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AJ McCarron is a lock for the first round.
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Did you just see that. AJ is an NFL quarterback. He iwll go high in the draft and actually have a career in the NFL
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I think mccarron is very underrated though. he's an NFL QB IMHO. he can make every last throw.
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AJ McCarron is probably the most "pro ready" quarterback Alabama has had since Richard Todd. He's tough, he's got a good arm, and he's accurate.
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Question did you watch the BCS title game? AJ can make every throw in a playbook
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If Tom Brady was coming out of college this draft. Everyone here would be saying Brady has zero chance of being good in the NFL. Brady was like 211 lbs. @ 6'4" when he went to the draft. He actually played in the Orange bowl his last game at 195 lbs. AJ is way bigger than him. And has been way better throughout college.
Brady's best season in college wasn't even as good as AJ's is this year.
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Dorsey was a good college QB but McCarron is far more physically talented and a much better NFL prospect. Dorsey's arm strength was well below-average for a college QB much less a NFL QB. He just got by on smarts and was fortunate to have a great supporting cast. The two players aren't even remotely comparable.
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Andy Dalton is his floor and Matt Ryan is his ceiling. If he gets surrounded by elite talent he will have a long successful career.
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I see it. I don't really see why he wouldn't go that early. Him being a game manager is a myth.
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I just want to see him go in the 1st round to see so many rantards eat crow over it. That and to see him do well, of course.
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Early buzz now is 1st rd which means either he will have anorther similar or better year and push himself up into a solid 1st
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He has the arm strength to make NFL throws & he displayed thaty this yr
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I think if he gets into the right system behind the right line, he could lead a team to the playoffs.
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Have you seen some of the first round QB picks over the last few years? McCarron is undoubtedly better than a lot of those guys.
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AJ would've been a top 5 pick and will likely be next yr
When someone questioned this ^^^
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Dead serious, he didn't even request a draft review
QBs do it all the time, Aaron Murray came back as well, Barkley would've been a high pick last yr, came back for his Sr year, Luck did it
AJ came back for his Sr year, it is tough as always to predict the draft a year from now, but I fully expect him to have that Senior Heisman type campaign and be a 1st round pick at the least
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AJ will go in the first round in 2014. 2 BCS titles and possibly 3. Coached by Saban. Played at Alabama.
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He makes all the NFL throws, pre-snap reads, pocket presence is there
Barring a major step back this yr it's hard not to see him in at the very least early 2nd
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However it is fair to say that he's the most NFL ready QB since Luck
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I'm willing to bet I've seen almost every snap all of the top QBs in CFB this past season has taken a lot more times than you have. AJ never struggled under pressure.
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AJ McCarron - Probably a top three QB in the draft at worst next year, could go in the first.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:02 am to Kcoyote
quote:His acceleration is sluggish. He takes 10 yards to get up to speed, and the NFL is all about hitting the hole at full speed. His lateral movement is not great either. These are things made up for by a great Oline but in the land of parity and equal talent, he won't be given holes you can drive a truck through.
Tell me one reason why he wouldn't. Something of substance please, if you can handle that.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:36 am to Kcoyote
Henry will be a 1 contract guy. I don't see him making it through his first contract.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:47 am to TeLeFaWx
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Every last Gump on this board thought McCarron would be a better NFL QB than Manziel
Uhh.. So this is part of your NFL bonafides? 
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