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Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:10 pm to WhiskeyDick
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:10 pm to WhiskeyDick
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Every program was content with being second to Bama until a small town preacher came along who enjoys bass fishing and giving little Nick fits. Now everyone sees that Saban isn't invincible and is trying to hire the next Freeze. Little do they know, there is but one true Freeze.
Ole' Miss is the SMU of the SEC and the France of the U fricking N.
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:10 pm to Titus Pullo
And for Bama fans it hasn't, but my granddaddy grew up in Alabama and he's been a fan for 70 years. When Ole Miss beat y'all last year it was the end of the world, he literally acted like y'all were shite. I told him y'all would win it all (called it) but it's like Bama fans have forgotten what it means to lose 1-2 times a year
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:14 pm to WhiskeyDick
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Every program was content with being second to Bama until a small town preacher came along who enjoys bass fishing and giving little Nick fits. Now everyone sees that Saban isn't invincible and is trying to hire the next Freeze. Little do they know, there is but one true Freeze.
Miles was 3-2 vs Saban at one point. Miles was shown the door today.
Same will happen to beaver.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:14 pm to AU4real35
I think the problem is more coaches like Gus or Urban that turned programs around on a dime. Now top programs all expect a "splash" hire that wins big year two at worst or its time to move on. With that sort of thinking you think the odds are stacked in your favor when a coach is canned when history shows them to be crazy exceptions that really can't be predicted, and that a quick trigger finger hurts a program long term if you try to hard to force a duplicate Gus's success.
Most times the new coaches want new players and it takes time, but few want to face that reality so we hear the same "almost anyone can take the current roster and win big" fallacy over and over.
Saban is chasm no SEC program can completely jump across but Gus is the hope that keeps them trying.
Most times the new coaches want new players and it takes time, but few want to face that reality so we hear the same "almost anyone can take the current roster and win big" fallacy over and over.
Saban is chasm no SEC program can completely jump across but Gus is the hope that keeps them trying.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:15 pm to AU4real35
I think it's more to do with the $5 million + salaries than with Saban.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:18 pm to AU4real35
I don't think anyone expects 4 of 7 and being in the NC hunt every season.
I do believe Saban has shown that it's possible for a major SEC program to have consistency.
He recruits for his system. Develops his players. Prepares them for the season. Plans a good game plan. Inspires his team to compete for 60 minutes.
I don't think it's ridiculous for any of the Big 6 schools to expect to see that every season especially when these coaches are being paid $4 million+.
I do believe Saban has shown that it's possible for a major SEC program to have consistency.
He recruits for his system. Develops his players. Prepares them for the season. Plans a good game plan. Inspires his team to compete for 60 minutes.
I don't think it's ridiculous for any of the Big 6 schools to expect to see that every season especially when these coaches are being paid $4 million+.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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I think the problem is more coaches like Gus or Urban that turned programs around on a dime.e
I agree, Malzahn set himself up for failure inadvertently. He set the bar way too high for himself out of the gate and after we almost won the championship his first year, anything below a 10 win season would be utter failure. I like Malzahn and I hope we keep him at least a couple more years to see if he can turn it around. I think he has a little miles in him though and doesn't wanna evolve in his offensive beliefs.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:26 pm to genro
quote:How many years did Shug Jordan coach Auburn? How many of those years did he lose to Bear?Yet a more modern Auburn fires a coach who won a National Championship two years before. Bear had some bad seasons himself. Would today's Alabama put up with a losing season here and there?I don't think so. It is the same game, basically. The biggest difference I can see is the money. I believe college football is second only to nfl in sports revenue now. Billion dollar conference tv contracts. Five million dollar/ year head coaches.One million dollar/year assistant coaches. Bigger better stadiums, and facilities to recruit better. Merchandising and all of the other revenue which drops drastically when the team is losing. I think it has more to do with that than Saban. There were dominate coaches before, and Myer isn't that far behind Saban in accomplishments. I bet Harborough will win a couple of titles himself at Michigan and then end up back in the NFL. I am saying if Saban wasn't the dominate coach of this time, then somebody else would be. It isn't Saban's success as much as the success of the college football cable tv experiment that has brought us to this impatience and little tolerance of bad seasons.
Without a doubt. It didn't used to be like this. And i'm not talking about just LSU in particular
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:27 pm to WhiskeyDick
quote:And after his show cause ends, someone else will end up with the one true Freeze.
Every program was content with being second to Bama until a small town preacher came along who enjoys bass fishing and giving little Nick fits. Now everyone sees that Saban isn't invincible and is trying to hire the next Freeze. Little do they know, there is but one true Freeze.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:27 pm to AU4real35
The whole fun of Les was that he was a well known meathead before he ever got to LSU. He used to figure out some of the damndest ways to lose games at OK State. Most of us marveled at his success in spite of himself. There was something wonderful about it.
Don't get me wrong. I loved the guy, and he always made every year fun. But he's not a top 10 coach. Those 2005 to 2007 teams should have all competed for NCs. Yes, he did win one in that time frame, but one of the weirdest last weeks ever in an already weird season swung the door back open for him.
2011 was his whole career at LSU in microcosm - He'd could win a lot of games just with the sheer talent LSU had, but when that didn't work, he had no plan B - or seemingly any plan.
Good guy, fun guy, and a better than average coach. But not elite.
Don't get me wrong. I loved the guy, and he always made every year fun. But he's not a top 10 coach. Those 2005 to 2007 teams should have all competed for NCs. Yes, he did win one in that time frame, but one of the weirdest last weeks ever in an already weird season swung the door back open for him.
2011 was his whole career at LSU in microcosm - He'd could win a lot of games just with the sheer talent LSU had, but when that didn't work, he had no plan B - or seemingly any plan.
Good guy, fun guy, and a better than average coach. But not elite.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 9/25/16 at 9:28 pm to WhiskeyDick
Praise his name!
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