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re: Has Spurrier at South Carolina surpassed what Bryant did at UK?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:24 pm to ConwayGamecock
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:24 pm to ConwayGamecock
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I would submit that the win over Bama in 2010 - under Spurrier - was more momentous than the bowl win over Oklahoma was in 1950-51 for Bryant and UK....
A regular season win against a team that eventually would finish the regular season outside of the Top 15 versus a win over a team that won the national championship and finished the regular season undefeated.
Hmm.....
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:25 pm to ConwayGamecock
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I would submit that the win over Bama in 2010 - under Spurrier - was more momentous than the bowl win over Oklahoma was in 1950-51 for Bryant and UK....
Your submission was received and summarily rejected. Thank you for your submission.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:26 pm to RollTide1987
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No.
Bryant won the SEC and came very close to winning a national title in 1950. And this was at Kentucky.
Again, UK finished ranked 7th by the AP and UPI that season. USC finished ranked higher (4th) in both the AP and Coaches polls in 2013, and ranked as high (7th) by the Coaches final poll in 2012.
By the present voting systems for each respective seasons, Spurrier got USC CLOSER to the NC than Bryant got UK....
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:29 pm to ConwayGamecock
Spurrier is a great coach, however he will never be a Bear Bryant.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:30 pm to RollTide1987
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A regular season win against a team that eventually would finish the regular season outside of the Top 15 versus a win over a team that won the national championship and finished the regular season undefeated.
Hmm.....
Yes, because I just got through stating it: Oklahoma had nothing left to play for, other than a bowl win. They ALREADY had their NC in hand when the ball was kicked off versus UK. The outcome of the bowl either way would change nothing...
Alabama would fall apart as the 2010 season went on, yes. They still won 10 games which wasn't chopped liver. BUT AT THE TIME of the game with South Carolina, they were ranked #1 unanimously, and driving for another national championship. They hadn't given up at that point....they had beaten the previous 19 opponents they played up to that point, including one for the 2009 NC.
I say the importance for both games were decidedly different for Oklahoma and Alabama...
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 8/2/14 at 5:31 pm to Bamainmontg
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Spurrier is a great coach, however he will never be a Bear Bryant.
Yes, the NCAA by-laws will see to that...
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:00 am to ConwayGamecock
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Spurrier is a great coach, however he will never be a Bear Bryant.
Yes, the NCAA by-laws will see to that.
Article 6, section C: No coach at an NCAA institution may ever be, either in 1) coaching demeanor and style, or in 2) program success, a Bear Bryant. An appeal may be made to allow for 1), but not 2), if the coach was at Junction and has been at both Texas A&M and Alabama. Subsequent Alabama coaches also may not be a Bear Bryant, but may benefit from frequent controversial offciating, particularly offensive holding.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 7:01 am
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:47 am to Crimson Legend
Comparing one coach's early career to another's twilight? Just the jobs at the two schools cited are pretty even with a slight edge to Bryant but one could argue either way I'm sure.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:24 am to nc14
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Comparing one coaches early career to another's twilight?
Offseason. There's no grass controversy this year, so we're doing the best we can.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:24 am to nc14
In the 13 season preceding The Bear, uk was 56-53-9.
In the 13 seasons preceding Spurrier, sc was 65-82-1.
Spurrier @ sc >>>> Bear @ uk
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:31 am to Mizz-SEC
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In the 13 season preceding The Bear, uk was 56-53-9.
In the 13 seasons preceding Spurrier, sc was 65-82-1.
Spurrier @ sc >>>> Bear @ uk
Random stat. South Carolina had risen to a mediocre to decent level under Holtz. There is no way to determine whose program was worse when the respective coaches took over, but anything before the Holtz tenure at SCar is going to be skewed. A more reasonable stat would be the 4 years previous to each coach taking over - that would be one class. Or maybe the two or three years previous. Further than 4 years back is almost completely irrelevant.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:43 am to Crimson Legend
Not even close. SEC of today is not the same one Bryant coached at UK. Spurrier hands down. How is this even debatable?
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:46 am to Crimson Legend
A comparison can't really be made on that 4 year window because of World War II.
Most college programs were playing with skeleton teams or didn't play at all, including Kentucky in 1943.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:13 am to Mizz-SEC
You win. Scar = Kentucky
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:18 am to Crimson Legend
If Spurrier can get an SECC before he retires at USC, that would cement him near the top of coaching. That program was abysmal before he got there.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:28 am to Mizz-SEC
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A comparison can't really be made on that 4 year window because of World War II.
Most college programs were playing with skeleton teams or didn't play at all, including Kentucky in 1943.
Excellent point. There really is no legitimate way to measure the level of the respective programs when each coach took them over. South Carolina had been atrocious, but it was at its strongest point in a long time, maybe ever, when Lou Holtz left.
This is sort of like debating who the GOAT is in pro basketball. It's an interesting discussion, no way to clearly establish the winner.
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