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Guessing OM Scholarships and Bowl Ban (Using NCAA Penalty Matrix)

Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted by Big4Dawg
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:47 pm


Found the listing on OM from an OM fan on Reddit. Used the new NCAA Penalty Matrix. LINK

This is assuming they wipe away all of the Leo Lewis stuff.

For another scenario, let's assume the throw out everything from Pre-Freeze HC tenure. OM would still get a 4 to 8 year bowl ban and 80 scholarships.

I know that sounds extreme but it's also the rules in place and I think that is kinda the point the NCAA was trying to make. LINK

quote:


Now that the new structure is poised to be implemented this August, among the most frequently stated reactions to it is how its penalty guidelines will make potential rule-breakers realize there’s no reward for the risk.

Seeking stronger sanctions and a clearer “if you do this, then you can expect that” model for violations and penalties, the Enforcement Working Group developed a matrix that succinctly lays out the consequences that can be expected for various breaches of conduct.

“It was clear we needed to have stiffer and more predictable penalties so that people who were doing the ‘risk-reward’ calculation would think twice whether it was in their interests to engage in bad behavior,” said working group chair Ed Ray, the president at Oregon State University. “Having penalty guidelines – and having the penalties that are in those guidelines be more severe than what we have now – was a good way of sending clear signals to people.”
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The working group surveyed the membership from the start and quickly encountered a “we’re not going to take it anymore” kind of response. Harris said the “risk/reward” analysis was a recurring theme.
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“We provided a range, as is done with sentencing guidelines, where the judge has to pretty much stay within those unless there are extraordinary circumstances,” he said.
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“It is formulaic in a sense, but there is a subjective element to that formula,” Harris said. “The committee will slot a case and figure out the penalties, but the committee has the discretion to depart from the guidelines, which account for mitigating and aggravating factors, if there truly are extraordinary circumstances.”

Now I don't think they are going to actually give them 4 to 8 year bowl ban and 80 scholarships but it's going to be more than what OM fans want to think. The Leo Lewis stuff is the least of their problem. It's 2 of the 21 violations. It is however going to be interesting to see how much they want to make an example out of Ole Miss and if they are serious about the new structure.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68437 posts
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by Big4Dawg
Member since May 2013
1058 posts
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:51 pm to
Sorry you don't like the numbers.

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43977 posts
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:58 pm to
Side note: OM wll likely be told to sever all ties to the boosters in question.

Texas A&M was slapped with a LOIC charge in the early 90s, when the FB coaches didn't realize a booster had given a salary to a player for a summer job that the kid didn't do.

For guys who are so obsessed with their schools that they're willing to cheat the system, it's a big deal to be disassociated from their alma mater.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4579 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:37 am to
5 year probation, 2 year bowl ban, 10 year show cause for Freeze and at least two other coaches. 40 schollies lost. AD Bdork forced to resign.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42610 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:49 am to
That might be what they recommend matrix wise but I doubt the NCAA has the stomach to impose an 8 year bowl ban. 4 years maybe but definitely not 8. That said, if anyone ever deserved it OM's AD does. It would be different if there was a modicum of regret or if we didn't hear 'totally worth it' from so many of their fans.
Posted by saintsman40
Member since Nov 2015
1372 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 6:49 am to
i believe this is the most probable punishment.......it needs to be WORSE, but i think this is closer to what will actually be handed down........
Posted by partsman103
Member since Sep 2008
8089 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:07 am to
Reduction of the 85 total football scholarship athletes to 70 over 3 years, reduction of coaches recruiting, 2 year bowl ban, 5 yr probation, show cause placed on all involved.

Booster disassociation will be demanded.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:18 am to
That's milquetoast, parts man. If they do that, the NCAA is basically saying it's ok to buy a recruiting class or two. We'll just slap you on the wrist.

No, Ole Miss is made the example. The hammer falls and falls hard. The penalty will be in the matrix range.
Posted by Newgene
Waveland, MS
Member since Nov 2005
7235 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:29 am to
How does someone agree with so much of that overwhelming list, and then disagree to the lack of institutional control? If that's fair, then what the heck is a lack of institutional control?
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23019 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:37 am to
Funny seeing all the schools busted for one or two events. Ole Miss does all that stuff.

That said, I still hate this investigation it feels like one guy at NCAA has a vendetta.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15741 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:42 am to
NCAA will take away 40 scholarships.




10 from Ball State, 10 from La Tech, and 20 from UAB.
Posted by SouthOfHere
Pascagoula, Ms
Member since Feb 2013
1921 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:52 am to
quote:

That said, I still hate this investigation it feels like one guy at NCAA has a vendetta.





No it doesn't. They cheated like no school has in decades. AD involved. Head Coach putting pieces in place to facilitate cheating. Coaches and AD hooking boosters up with players directly. Fixing grades. Coachescsetting players up with trips and cars. And they act shocked about it all. Seriously?
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18746 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:29 am to
Im sorry but i truly chuckle when i look at that spreadsheet. In particular. The no response on the ACT stuff. (Uhh why no response?). And then the "mostly disagree". did you mostly pay him or not LOL. What a twat fest. They should fire whoever is leading this clown show of a defense
Posted by SouthOfHere
Pascagoula, Ms
Member since Feb 2013
1921 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Guessing OM Scholarships and Bowl Ban (Using NCAA Penalty Matrix) by Jaydeaux
Im sorry but i truly chuckle when i look at that spreadsheet. In particular. The no response on the ACT stuff. (Uhh why no response?). And then the "mostly disagree". did you mostly pay him or not LOL. What a twat fest. They should fire whoever is leading this clown show of a defense





Well it's OM lawyers. That should tell you something about their level of expertise. They are relegated to acquiring legal services from probably the worst law school in the country. If you've ever seen annOM law school graduate try a case, you'd understand. It's laughable at how I'll prepared they are. It's like they just give out law degrees to whoever can pay for them. Lawyers with online degrees routinely destroy OM lawyers in court.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 9:40 am to
Well I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment. What's the difference between Ole Miss and their transgressions and Miss State and Auburn being caught in a bidding war for a certain QB that Auburn won? Volume? Cost? Quantity? Everyone with half a brain knows that Auburn outbid MSU for $Cam and the NCAA and SEC gave the appearance of investigating it but in actuality, gave up when nobody would talk. And that one day declaration of ineligibility and reinstatement within 24 hours was laughable since nobody has ever seen the NCAA move with such haste and conviction before or since. My point is, I think it's a bit hypocritical of some to throw stones at Ole Miss when their real sin here was being sloppy and getting caught, then being indignant about it, unlike some where nobody ever found the bagman but everyone acknowledges he exists.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:10 am to
quote:

For guys who are so obsessed with their schools that they're willing to cheat the system, it's a big deal to be disassociated from their alma mater.


I get what you are saying here, but take out the whole aggie ring mindset that all other schools don't have. Many of these bagmen didn't go to the school. Aggies shun their bad apples differently.

Anyway...good news for OM is they will always have that acre plot for their chicken strips tray par-tay.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 10:40 am
Posted by dores97
Member since Feb 2009
114 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:13 am to
You are forgetting that this is the rant where you are mainly dealing with morons or trolls, or more likely they are one and the same.

I would hope nobody thinks they get any real info here.
Posted by SouthOfHere
Pascagoula, Ms
Member since Feb 2013
1921 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Well I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment. What's the difference between Ole Miss and their transgressions and Miss State and Auburn being caught in a bidding war for a certain QB that Auburn won? Volume? Cost? Quantity? Everyone with half a brain knows that Auburn outbid MSU for $Cam and the NCAA and SEC gave the appearance of investigating it but in actuality, gave up when nobody would talk. And that one day declaration of ineligibility and reinstatement within 24 hours was laughable since nobody has ever seen the NCAA move with such haste and conviction before or since. My point is, I think it's a bit hypocritical of some to throw stones at Ole Miss when their real sin here was being sloppy and getting caught, then being indignant about it, unlike some where nobody ever found the bagman but everyone acknowledges he exists.



Well maybe you should play "I'm not a dumbass" for a moment instead.
Auburn nor MSU were proven as to commit any transgressions. Seeing as how there was no evidence at all of either school paying Cam. There was no suspicious trail of money spent. No large deposits in bank accounts. Absolutely none. All you had was one person asking for money. Being a Bama boy, I'm sure you'd like to believe otherwise. So I guess you're right that people with only half a brain thought that. Now if you think that OM was simply just sloppy, you're as dumb of a shite as any OM fan. Maybe you hate black people too. Don't worry you can still go to the grove and swap loogies with the Rebs and grease their asses by telling them how wrong they were done.
Posted by VivaZapata27
Natchez, Ms
Member since Apr 2013
3573 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 11:40 am to
Anyone want to guess what OP does with his free time when his rival isn't under investigation? My best guess.


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