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re: Gregg McElroy confirms the obvious: Bama would've lost to Texas if Colt hadn't gotten hurt
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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LSU claims 3 national titles. 1958, 2003, 2007. They do not claim 1908. Probably because football in 1908 was not modern football.
Probably because it's not a good idea to retroactively claim titles decades and decades later.
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:59 pm to Korin
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Probably because it's not a good idea to retroactively claim titles decades and decades later
Also because touchdowns were worth 5 points, field goals 4, you only had 3 downs, teams decided how long the game would be at their own choosing and after you scored you could get the ball back if you so chose. Modern scoring wasn't implemented until 1912.
Again, it wasn't the same game.
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The 1912 NCAA football season was the first of the modern era, as the NCAA implemented changes to increase scoring:
- Teams were given 4 downs instead of 3 downs to gain ten yards
- The value of a touchdown was increased from 5 points to 6 points
- The field was reduced from 110 yards to 100 yards, and end zones of ten yards were added
- Kickoff was made from the 40 yard line rather than midfield.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:07 pm to Mac
And utx wouldnt have been in the nc game if bradford would have been in better shape for the tx/ou game, and not taken out.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
McGinger might have only been joking, but the reality is bammer would have lost if Colt McCoy had stayed healthy. Deal with it!
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Also because touchdowns were worth 5 points, field goals 4, you only had 3 downs, teams decided how long the game would be at their own choosing and after you scored you could get the ball back if you so chose. Modern scoring wasn't implemented until 1912.
Again, it wasn't the same game.
It wasn't the same game in 1925 either so...
Edit: Thanks for agreeing with me that it's not a good idea to claim titles decades and decades later after the fact. Oops.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:36 pm to Korin
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It wasn't the same game in 1925 either so...
Except it was
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The 1912 NCAA football season was the first of the modern era, as the NCAA implemented changes to increase scoring:
- Teams were given 4 downs instead of 3 downs to gain ten yards
- The value of a touchdown was increased from 5 points to 6 points
- The field was reduced from 110 yards to 100 yards, and end zones of ten yards were added
- Kickoff was made from the 40 yard line rather than midfield.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
When the modern era started is debatable though. You can't use the NCAA since you just ignored them earlier in this thread.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:38 pm to Korin
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Thanks for agreeing with me that it's not a good idea to claim titles decades and decades later after the fact.
A newspaper article from 1926:
"Alabama Defeats Washington Winning National Grid Title"
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:39 pm to RollTide1987
And 1926? 1930? 1934? Your beloved 1941?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:43 pm to Korin
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And 1926? 1930? 1934? Your beloved 1941?
You realize there weren't polls from 1926 to 1934, right? The AP poll started in 1936.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Interesting, coming from a Bama fan.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:46 pm to Korin
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Interesting, coming from a Bama fan.
What does that even mean?
The 1925, 1926, 1930 and 1934 teams all went undefeated and won the Rose Bowl. I have no problem with them being recognized as national champions. In the poll era (post-1936) all except 1941 won the AP and/or Coaches Poll. 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2015 all won either the AP or the Coaches Poll or both.
1941 is a sham, it should be thrown off a cliff.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
And LSU went 10-0 in 1908 so...
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:48 pm to Korin
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And 1926? 1930? 1934?
In the lead up to the game, United Press International called the 1927 Rose Bowl the "football championship of America". And since the game ended in a 7-7 tie, both Alabama and Stanford are right to claim 1926 as a national title year.
So there's 1925 and 1926 explained. I don't know too much about 1930 but I do know that in 1934, Alabama and Minnesota were both awarded by three different systems that were around at that particular time.
As to 1941, I believe any championship claimed post-1936 should be disregarded if not awarded by AP or Coaches.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:49 pm to Korin
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And LSU went 10-0 in 1908 so...
Playing a game that awarded teams 5 points for touchdowns, 4 points for field goals and let you play make or take it after you scored.
LSU is more than welcome to claim that title if they want, I don't care. But the game rules were completely different pre-1912.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:50 pm to Korin
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And LSU went 10-0 in 1908 so...
Did they play in and win the Rose Bowl?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:52 pm to RollTide1987
They can't play in something that didn't exist that season.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But the game rules were completely different pre-1912.
Just like they were in the 20s and 30s and 40s...
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:55 pm to Korin
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They can't play in something that didn't exist that season.
Precisely.
And any claim made before a majority of teams were utilizing the forward pass is dubious at best.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:56 pm to RollTide1987
Y'all didn't play in and win the Rose Bowl in 1941, that's for sure.
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