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re: Grantland article (RE: Chavis, LSU, TAMU, and the SEC) SIAP
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:37 pm to Jebeco
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:37 pm to Jebeco
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Correct me if i'm wrong, this may be the very first ever somewhat cordial banter between LSU and TAMU fans. Maybe i'm wrong.
Yeah, what's that all about. Weird.
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I don't get why jimmies get rustled over this every time. Chavis was a great Defensive Coordinator, but he wasn't without his flaws.
No doubt he will improve tamu's defense--kinda like LSU's offense logically has to improve this year (I mean, its virtually impossible for it to get worse
). But Chavis also had rosters loaded with NFL talent:
Lamin Barrow, Ego Ferguson, Lavar Edwards, Tharold Simon, Sam Montgomery, Tyrann Mathieu, Bennie Logan, Kevin Minter, Eric Reid, Barkevious Mingo, Ron Brooks, Brandon Taylor, Michael Brockers, Mo Claiborne, Pep Livingson, Drake Nevis, Kelvin Sheppard, Patrick Peterson, Al Woods, Perry Riley, and Chad Jones were all players under Chavis. All were drafted. In this upcoming draft, Jalen Collins (CB) will likely be a first round pick despite only getting a start 7/13 games.
Craig Loston, Freak Johnson, Ryan Baker, Rahim Alem, Danny McCray, Chuck Alexander, Chris Hawkins, and Harry Coleman (Beast) were all picked up as free agents as well.
For comparison's sake, tamu has a total of 9 defensive players total in the NFL overall. This isn't to say Sumlin has not/will not bring the defensive talent level up (he'll have to, since Chief doesn't recruit), but the sheer volume of defensive talent won't be the same at tamu.
He's a great coach and will bring tamu's defensive performance up. But as the article stated, there won't be (and they don't need) elite level defenses up in College Station; marginal improvement will be enough--kinda like LSU QB play only needs to be marginal.
best of luck aggies!
No doubt he will improve tamu's defense--kinda like LSU's offense logically has to improve this year (I mean, its virtually impossible for it to get worse
). But Chavis also had rosters loaded with NFL talent: Lamin Barrow, Ego Ferguson, Lavar Edwards, Tharold Simon, Sam Montgomery, Tyrann Mathieu, Bennie Logan, Kevin Minter, Eric Reid, Barkevious Mingo, Ron Brooks, Brandon Taylor, Michael Brockers, Mo Claiborne, Pep Livingson, Drake Nevis, Kelvin Sheppard, Patrick Peterson, Al Woods, Perry Riley, and Chad Jones were all players under Chavis. All were drafted. In this upcoming draft, Jalen Collins (CB) will likely be a first round pick despite only getting a start 7/13 games.
Craig Loston, Freak Johnson, Ryan Baker, Rahim Alem, Danny McCray, Chuck Alexander, Chris Hawkins, and Harry Coleman (Beast) were all picked up as free agents as well.
For comparison's sake, tamu has a total of 9 defensive players total in the NFL overall. This isn't to say Sumlin has not/will not bring the defensive talent level up (he'll have to, since Chief doesn't recruit), but the sheer volume of defensive talent won't be the same at tamu.
He's a great coach and will bring tamu's defensive performance up. But as the article stated, there won't be (and they don't need) elite level defenses up in College Station; marginal improvement will be enough--kinda like LSU QB play only needs to be marginal.
best of luck aggies!
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:52 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Good read. Like everyone else, I'm worried about our corners.
I'll add another 2 cents here, despite that it's not called for and wasn't addressed in the article...
If we do nothing else better this year than tackle-- if someone will just teach our men to tackle-- then we should fare well enough in 2015 to satisfy me.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:54 pm to logjamming
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:57 pm to derSturm37
The machine is building itself.
The powerful offense brings the big name DC to the program. The big name DC brings the defensive talent. It's just a matter of time.
The powerful offense brings the big name DC to the program. The big name DC brings the defensive talent. It's just a matter of time.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:01 pm to TexAgChill
"Just a matter of time" - Been saying that since the 1939 bro? That's your last national championship. people in their mid seventies hasn't seen A&M win a national championship, but, it's only just a matter of time.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:03 pm to Jabstep
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Been saying that since the 1939 bro?
No, since about 2011.
A&M 1.5, aka the Big 12 version, never had a chance to win a national championship. The 1.0 SWC version did, but that chance died when the Big 12 was formed.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:06 pm to Jabstep
I think it's cool when LSU fans act like they have been winning Nattys consistently for decades
True blue bloods...
True blue bloods...
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:07 pm to Jabstep
Fascinating take.
Thanks for that contribution.
Thanks for that contribution.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:08 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
The fact their program is basically ours plus Nick Saban is the third rail of this website.
Touch it at your own risk.
Touch it at your own risk.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:10 pm to cardboardboxer
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A&M 1.5, aka the Big 12 version, never had a chance to win a national championship. The 1.0 SWC version did, but that chance died when the Big 12 was formed.
What does this even mean? How does a conference hinder you from winning a NC? LSU can say the same thing about the SEC screwing them every year before A&M joined the conference.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:15 pm to TexAgChill
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The big name DC brings the defensive talent. It's just a matter of time.
Well, this is just plain false. A DC isn't going to attract kids just because of his name, I don't care who he is. He, or someone on the staff, still has put in the leg work to get the kids on campus. Hopefully aTm has a good assistant for this, as it's well known Chavis isn't going to do it.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:16 pm to cardboardboxer
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The fact their program is basically ours plus Nick Saban is the third rail of this website.
You mean aTm is only an all-time great coach away from being on LSU's level? Sounds about right.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:16 pm to rmnldr
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What does this even mean? How does a conference hinder you from winning a NC?
A conference is nothing more than the stage on which your program stands. The Big 12 was not setup to put us first. In fact our success hurt the big league money maker.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:22 pm to RB10
Up until three years ago, I didn't follow LSU closely; so I can't answer this question ...
... but in light of the complaints LSU fans have about Chavis today, I'm wondering whether or not most LSU folks have always felt this way about him?
It's crazy that a guy who was so seemingly disliked was able to stay in BR as long as he did.
Or are the complaints about him relatively new?
... but in light of the complaints LSU fans have about Chavis today, I'm wondering whether or not most LSU folks have always felt this way about him?
It's crazy that a guy who was so seemingly disliked was able to stay in BR as long as he did.
Or are the complaints about him relatively new?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:23 pm to derSturm37
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In 2013 A&M was 18 points away from going 11-1 and winning the SEC West. Shave 7 points per game (turn one touchdown drive into a punt) and this would have been the case.
I don't think you can quantify how a season turns that simply. Yes, technically had you turned one touchdown drive into a punt per game, all else equal you go 11-1. But you don't take into account how the other team adjusts depending on the situation.
You're right that tamu doesn't need elite numbers, but it will be really hard to break the trend with the offense that ya'll run. Again, I think Chavis brings improvement, but the other "spread, hurry up, what have you" offenses referenced in the article really shows how tall of an order it is to have even a good defense with that kind of offense.
Over the last few years, here is the average final "total defense" rank of the schools mentioned in the article:
Oklahoma State: 83, highest rating of 53
Oregon: 59 with a high of 37
Baylor: 79 with a high of 27
Auburn: 78 with a high of 66 last year.
Also, take into account that Sumlin's program has yet to crack the top 100 nationally in time of possession, averaging 114 nationally in his tenure.
Granted, tamu has some good recruiting classes coming in, but that doesn't automatically translate into elite units. Over the same time span, TCU, Boise, Penn State, Wisconsin, UCF, Louisville, and Stanford (not the kind of schools you'd consider recruiting powershouses) all finished in the top 4 nationally in total defense.
The real concern for tamu, moving ahead and trying to improve its running game. Under Sumlin, they went from 11th nationally (with NFL draftee Cyrus Gray toting the rock), to 45, to 84th nationally in rushing offense. Scooping up three star RBs away from ULL likely won't change that trend. (sorry, couldn't resist).
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:26 pm to EKG
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It's crazy that a guy who was so seemingly disliked was able to stay in BR as long as he did.
Or are the complaints about him relatively new?
The total lovefest with Chavis turned after the first last second loss to Bama in 2012. Then, 2013 happened where LSU finally had an offense and the defense was suspect. A lot were grumpy during that year. This past year, he had a lot of criticism early in the year and then he inserted Kendell Beckwith and it all stopped until the Bama game and then finally the bowl game but he was gone already by then.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:27 pm to AdamDeMamp
Gotcha--thanks.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:27 pm to EKG
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It's crazy that a guy who was so seemingly disliked was able to stay in BR as long as he did.
Chavis' faults have been harped on for years by LSU fans, but we also recognized that he is a very good DC. The main reason he's taking the thrashing that he is from LSU fans is the way he left.
He was suppossedly a man of integrity and loyal to a fault, which now looks like a load of crap. In 6 years Les Miles got him a 300% pay increase from his 1st year to his last, and let him run the defense without any interference. In turn, Chavis left for a division rival for no other reason than he wanted to be paid as much as Boom. When LSU wouldn't pony up he ducked out the backdoor.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:35 pm to Projectpat
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it’s not hard to imagine that after watching his team finish unranked in 2014 despite fielding the no. 1 total defense in the nation’s most competitive conference, he’s calculating the impact that defense could make when paired with an offense that can actually be counted on to score some damn points.
By this logic, Cam would have left after 2013, when he fielded a record-breaking offense but still lost three games because Chavis' defense couldn't stop anybody.
A few of Chavis' choice accomplishments from 2012 through 2014, when he supposedly got pissed off because the offense wasn't holding up its end of the bargain:
-LSU lost while scoring 40 or more points in regulation for the first time in its history (Georgia 2013)
-LSU allowed its most points to Alabama (38) since 1925 (2013)
-LSU equaled its most points ever allowed to Auburn (41 in 2014)
-In six of its 11 losses in 2012 through 2014, LSU led or was tied in the final two minutes before Chavis' defense gave up the winning or tying score. In five of the six, it led or was tied in the final minute. In four of those five, it led or was tied in the final five seconds.
-One of those six losses in which Chavis' defense couldn't make a stop to preserve the win (Clemson 2012) was LSU's first loss to an ACC team (while it was in the ACC) since 1955.
If Chavis wants to pretend he's a championship coach that just couldn't get enough help from his offense, he won't fool anybody but a bunch of Aggies with that bullshite.
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