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Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Pretty much.
It's a fun thing to watch when it's run correctly though.
I can't remember who it was against, I think Carmody was the coach for them then or maybe it was Carril's last season, but they back door cut and layuped their way right to an upset in the first round of the tournament one year.
Everyone knew what they were doing, but the opposing team couldn't stop it, it wasn't like they were being out talented on the court either.
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:15 pm to DaleDenton
Oh how I wish I were older to have been around to watch Bobby Knight and all of those guys coach in their prime.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:16 pm to BluegrassBelle
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There was no outcry with Texas and Durant, Oden and Ohio State, and so on.
Yes there was, the difference was there wasn't complete roster turnovers, that is what most of the outcry is over.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:16 pm to DaleDenton
It's hard to defend a good screen if it's done correctly. Especially if you have defenders who don't talk/don't switch. Princeton almost upset us 2011 tournament.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
Oh I'm not saying it's the main thing. The main culprit is no doubt the coaching or lack-thereof in high school and AAU. They teach hardly no fundamentals which is then in turn lowering basketball IQ's of players. Then causing coaches to have to "dumb" down the schemes.
Again one-and-done is more in part of my angst towards the shittiness of the NBA.
Again one-and-done is more in part of my angst towards the shittiness of the NBA.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's hard to defend a good screen if it's done correctly. Especially if you have defenders who don't talk/don't switch.
Yeah, what was great was the team tried switching, Princeton starts screening the guy guarding them, nullifying the switch, no time out needed, either.
Well coached team.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:18 pm to DaleDenton
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Yes there was, the difference was there wasn't complete roster turnovers, that is what most of the outcry is over.
But this is one or two teams compared to the whole of the NCAA. You still have plenty of teams that don't exercise the one and done philosophy.
It's kind of silly when you look at it that way. And comes off at people are just pissed that they're not winning it their way.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:19 pm to DaleDenton
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Everyone knew what they were doing, but the opposing team couldn't stop it, it wasn't like they were being out talented on the court either.
they have had some good wins, but this loss got a lot of pub. Great game... LINK
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:20 pm to ChargerDog91
Go to your local street hoops game, there you will find Arky's offensive scheme.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:24 pm to mograyback
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Go to your local street hoops game
I'm going to call you out on this because it's similar the annoying shite that Kentucky gets pinned with (aka Cal just rolling the balls out).
Pitino ran something very similar at Kentucky in the 90s that won a championship (and got him to one in '97). It's not any less "coaching" (or offensive scheme), especially when the focus is on defense creating offensive opportunities (Cal does this as well).
That street ball connotation suggests that he's just rolling the balls out. He's not.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:25 pm to bona fide
Watching that video, the Motion and Princeton have a lot of the same principles. I would be curious to see a hybrid of the two. 
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:28 pm to ChargerDog91
We run a version of the dribble drive that usually results in a turnover or missed three.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm going to call you out on this because it's similar the annoying shite that Kentucky gets pinned with (aka Cal just rolling the balls out).
Pitino ran something very similar at Kentucky in the 90s that won a championship (and got him to one in '97). It's not any less "coaching" (or offensive scheme), especially when the focus is on defense creating offensive opportunities (Cal does this as well).
That street ball connotation suggests that he's just rolling the balls out. He's not.
Nolan was right.
Pitino does it, its great coaching and scheming.
He does it, its rat ball, street ball, etc.
They were similar.
Mike use full, 3/4 court press like several other teams. We use a motion offense like Bobby Knight did and several other teams still do. We play man to man, 2-3, and match up zones on occasion, but yeah its just rolling the ball out there street ball.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
Yeah, I know he's not just rolling the ball out.
After a few years here, Anderson got the reputation of having an offense without much composure. The 40 minutes of hell thing played into this stereotype he was given.
After a few years here, Anderson got the reputation of having an offense without much composure. The 40 minutes of hell thing played into this stereotype he was given.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:32 pm to DaleDenton
Pitino perfected the press at Kentucky though (just IMO). Watching some of those late 90s teams press and create transition opportunities was a thing of beauty.
It's one of the things he still uses at Louisville today but it's not nearly as pretty.
I do think it's a valid discussion of whether it can still be successful in the NCAA today though. Pitino is a good example of that in how he's adapted.
It's one of the things he still uses at Louisville today but it's not nearly as pretty.
I do think it's a valid discussion of whether it can still be successful in the NCAA today though. Pitino is a good example of that in how he's adapted.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:34 pm to mograyback
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After a few years here, Anderson got the reputation of having an offense without much composure. The 40 minutes of hell thing played into this stereotype he was given.
That's largely because it's an offense that hinges on good defensive play to create opportunities (not completely but it plays a very large part). It's going to look frantic because it's overly aggressive. And fast.
If anything I'd be willing to say you have to be a pretty well-rounded coach to run a 40 Minutes of Hell type deal. Because you have to be able to teach defense as well or better then you do offense.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:34 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Pitino perfected the press at Kentucky though (just IMO). Watching some of those late 90s teams press and create transition opportunities was a thing of beauty.
It's one of the things he still uses at Louisville today but it's not nearly as pretty.
If you pressed today like a team in 1996, your entire roster would foul out with 7 minutes left in the 1st half.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:35 pm to Robot Santa
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If you pressed today like a team in 1996, your entire roster would foul out with 7 minutes left in the 1st half.
Unless you're in the Big East. Then you can just shank someone at halfcourt.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Dribble drive offense
:nb4Caljustrollstheballsout:
Not this year anyway.... Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:40 pm to BluegrassBelle
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That's largely because it's an offense that hinges on good defensive play to create opportunities (not completely but it plays a very large part). It's going to look frantic because it's overly aggressive. And fast.
It can go both ways though. Yes defense can create opportunities but you have to rely on fast breaks. That's why I agree that regardless coaches need to be well-rounded. IMO, defense is more teaching while offense is coaching.
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