re: Football rules question (onsides kick)

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What I am trying to figure out can the TN player hit Jones before the ball goes 10yds??

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if the ball hits the ground before he hits jones, yes. and it did. the wording of the rule could be written clearer

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The kicking team cannot touch the ball until it travels 10 yards. Any player is fair game.

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No, you're wrong.

The rule clearly states that the right of the kicking team to block the receiving team coincides with their right to touch the ball.

If, at the time, Tennessee wasn't allowed to touch the ball, then they weren't allowed to block, either.

Read the OP, it quotes the rulebook.

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This is not sour grapes. I really want to know the answer.
From NCAA Rulebook for Football, Rule 6-1, Article 2, point G:

“No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball”

Article 3, point A

“No Team A player is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball until:
1. It touches a Team B player
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B’s restraining line
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team B’s
restraining line. “
On the onsides kick there is debate as to whether the hit on Julio was legal. Discuss. I have always thought blocking was legal from the point of contact on a kick off, but apparently not. Like I said I just want opinions on the rule.
(But as I said what brought it up was that it appears Julio was blocked before he was eligible to be blocked)

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From these rules it should have been a penalty.

When Rogan blocked Jones he was not eligible to do so. Because...

At the time of the block, the ball was still in the air (1. It had not touchced a UA (team B) player).

And at the time of the block, the ball was at the 38 yard line (2. Had not broken UA's (Team B's) restraining line which was the 40).

Also, at the time of the block it had not yet passed the 40 which was UA's restraining line and was still in the air(3. So it couldn't have touched anything passed the restraining line including the ground, a player, or an official)

Therefore, at the time Rogan blocked Julio, no UT (TEAM A) player was eligible to touch the free-kicked ball. And according to the rules, if they weren't yet eligible to touch the ball, they weren't yet eligible to block a UA player (Team B).

Video of the play Around 7:00 minutes in

If you pause it at around 7:06 you'll get this image, and if you watch it in motion you can tell what I have circled is the ball, and it has been descending and is just now about to touch players.

Edit:resizing pic, it's way to big Edit: frickit, imageshack is being a douche.

Once the KO hits the ground, it is a free ball (assuming it goes past 10 yards)and you can hit anybody.

If it stays in the air, you cannot contact a potential receiver.

And of course dumbass Gary Danielson praises Rogan for his spectacular illegal play.

So can a Bama player touch the ball before it goes 10yds??

This Vid also shows the hold on Chavis Williams at the 8:12 mark that should have been called.

I can't believe Lane Queefin had the balls to say the refs helped us.

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So can a Bama player touch the ball before it goes 10yds??

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Yes, but you don't see that often because usually the ball is either
A. Still in the air.
B. Or Moving to fast for them to run up and catch it (remember this all happens fast, and the kicking team has a running start, where as the receiving team is standing when it's kicked and have to be behind/at the restraining line)
C. Usually if A or B doesn't happen it's not going past the restraining line anyway and can't be the kicking teams ball even if they recover.