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re: Florida should have kept Jim McElwain

Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:40 am to
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41499 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:40 am to
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The Gators nickname is kinda tired. They should have run with it and become the Shark Humpers


This is bad and you should feel bad.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41499 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:41 am to
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He jumped the shark, literally.



Hey Big Scorebaord, this one is funny, and gets an upvote. Work on your comedy please for the good of the board.
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 1:13 pm to
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8-4 with a team that had enough offensive talent to take Bama to the wire,


Half the team sat out the bowl game against OU and Bama was Bama. One loss was by 3 on the road to one of A&Ms greatest teams ever. I don't have an explanation for shoegate.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22456 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 1:17 pm to
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In his defense, it was a really hot shark. And it was swimming around out there all naked. It was basically asking for it.


Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
3127 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 1:34 pm to
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That's been debunked.

Debunk these nuts
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 2:15 pm to
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Half the team sat out the bowl game against OU and Bama was Bama. One loss was by 3 on the road to one of A&Ms greatest teams ever. I don't have an explanation for shoegate.


What's your explanation for him going 5-6 the next season, losing to South Carolina 40-17 as a 3 touchdown favorite, giving up 52 points at home to a sub .500 fcs Samford, and having no recruiting class?
Posted by GaryGator
The Swamp
Member since Jun 2017
6362 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 2:51 pm to
He was afraid for his life. With all them "death threats".
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:53 pm to
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What's your explanation for him going 5-6 the next season, losing to South Carolina 40-17 as a 3 touchdown favorite, giving up 52 points at home to a sub .500 fcs Samford, and having no recruiting class?


One bad year. Happens to most people not named Nick Saban or Kirby Smart
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:03 pm to
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One bad year.

I already mentioned it was 2 bad years not only one.

Plus 6-8 wins is Dan Mullen's career average. He regressed to his mean after MacElwain's players went pro and he had the roster that he built.
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:35 pm to
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already mentioned it was 2 bad years not only one.


And I refuted that point by point.

The guy had 4 years

Finished ranked in the top 12 in 3 of them and played in NY6 bowls all 3 of those years.

You are delusional to call 2020 a bad year.

Florida is delusional. People act like the entire history of Florida football outside of Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer doesn't exist.

They are outliers not the rule

In the last 13 years of Florida football not coached by Dan Mullen they have 1 other season where the finished top 12 in a poll and made a NY6 equivalent bowl
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 7:38 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:38 pm to
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The guy had 4 years

And got worse as each year went on.
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:40 pm to
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got worse as each year went on.


Blatantly false. Year 2 was much better than year 1.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:40 pm to
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You are delusional to call 2020 a bad year.

One of the most embarrassing regular season losses in program history "Shoe game" and one of the biggest bowl losses in program history?

Lost 3 straight to end the year.

Maybe not the worst of the worst seasons, but definitely an underachieving/disappointing one. Followed up by a total disaster.

The guy was done.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:41 pm to
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Blatantly false. Year 2 was much better than year 1.

Lost 3 games year 1, lost 2 year 2.

Marginally better. Also lucked into that with the injury of Felipe Franks as they were going to lose to Kentucky again that year until Trask saved his arse.

In fact, without Kyle Trask, Mullen was absolutely terrible at Florida.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18204 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:43 pm to
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How are they still the Chippewas in 2023 in commie meeechigan

Because they have the support of the tribe. The tribe gets approval on usage of the name in marketing, etc. sometimes schools get permission and do things right.
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:45 pm to
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Lost 3 games year 1, lost 2 year 2.

Marginally better.


They got shite stomped by Kentucky, Georgia, and Missouri in year 1.

Lost by 2 TDs with a backup QB to LSUs greatest team ever and played Georgia within 7 in year 2. Record does not show the full story.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:49 pm to
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Record does not show the full story.

Yes, that is correct.

They were en route to getting shite stomped by Kentucky again when Kyle Trask became the QB.

Mullen refused to play Trask until he absolutely had to, and Trask carried him for two seasons.

Once he left, Dan put in his offense with his recruits and was a total shitshow, en route to going 5-7.

5-8 wins is Dan Mullen's window.
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:54 pm to
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en route to going 5-7.


They didn't go 5-7

They went 5-6 he got fired and they finished 6-7.

The point of the argument is Mullen was miles better than McElwaine who it was proposed they should have kept.

McElwain lost more games by 14+ in 2 and 1/2 seasons than Mullen lost in 2 games shy of 4 seasons.

McElwain's last year Florida went 4-7 (3-4 when he was fired)

This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 7:55 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60269 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:56 pm to
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And we saw how bad he was in 2017 without Geoff Collins.


And?

We all saw how bad GT sucked out loud WITH Coach Waffle House at the helm.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:57 pm to
Correct, but if he didn't get fired at 5-6, they would certainly have gone 5-7.

Knox played Anthony Richardson against FSU, and for all his flaws as a qb, he was much better than Emory Jones who Mullen refused to bench. Richardson won that game against FSU, and Mullen would've never put him in. Thus, they would have likely lost and finished 5-7 had Dan not been fired.

quote:

The point of the argument is Mullen was miles better than McElwaine who it was proposed they should have kept.



Got it, yeah I won't disagree with that.

My argument was that MacElwain should have been fired AND Dan should have been fired. Neither should have been retained.
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