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re: Fire Up the Coaches Board. Texas fired their A.D
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:28 pm to partsman103
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:28 pm to partsman103
Good thing that oil prices are destroying their donor's pockets.
They've never opened up money wise anyway. They're irrelevant.
They've never opened up money wise anyway. They're irrelevant.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:29 pm to scrooster
Yeah, I'm afraid that Charlie is in trouble. He stepped into a bad situation in Texas as he was not who the boosters wanted. The problem with letting him go now ( if they do) is that they're looking much more dysfunctional now than they did during Mack's last two to three years.
Texas is a great job, but the separation between that job and several others in CFB is significantly less than it was 20-30 years ago. And the conference turmoil over there plays a big part in that lack of separation.
Texas is a great job, but the separation between that job and several others in CFB is significantly less than it was 20-30 years ago. And the conference turmoil over there plays a big part in that lack of separation.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:29 pm to scrooster
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I would imagine that this is the first step towards getting rid of Charlie
I agree.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:30 pm to scrooster
Oh I don't think anyone doubts that for a second.
Strong will be gone.
It's already being spoken of in these parts as a done deal.
The questions being posed among media outlets today were simply speculating which team would pick him up as a DC.
Strong will be gone.
It's already being spoken of in these parts as a done deal.
The questions being posed among media outlets today were simply speculating which team would pick him up as a DC.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:28 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:37 pm to TSipper
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And why did Nebraksa leave?
Because Dr. Tom took losing to Texas really, really hard.
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Keep saying that bitch. You ran off all your friends. The only friends you have left were bought like whores. EABOD
Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:52 pm to TSipper
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Because Dr. Tom took losing to Texas really, really hard.
No, because they had very real concerns that UTx wanted out of the B12:
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On the other side, the Big Ten will have its own fires to extinguish over the weekend, thanks to the Columbus Dispatch. The newspaper got its hands on a few emails between Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and Ohio State president Gordon Gee that suggest a full-court press to acquire Texas has been in the works for months:
Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee sent an e-mail to Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany on April 20 saying that he had spoken with Texas President William Powers.
"I did speak with Bill Powers at Texas, who would welcome a call to say they have a 'Tech' problem," Gee wrote in an e-mail that was among several obtained by The Dispatch through a public-records request for documents and correspondence related to Big Ten expansion proposals.
Ohio State declined to clarify exactly what Gee meant by "a 'Tech' problem." (Public records laws require access to taxpayer-supported emails, but not explanations.) It's a transparent reference to Texas Tech, which has shared membership with Texas in the Southwest Conference and Big 12 South since 1956. As in-state rivals go, Tech is pretty far-flung (Lubbock is more than 400 miles from Austin), but it's hardly a nonentity in the state legislature. One of the most obvious implications of Gee's email is that, for political reasons, any conference that wants the mighty Longhorns may also be obliged to invite one or two of its Lone Star brethren.
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Nebraska did pretty much the only thing they could do, faced with the uncertain future of the B12.
It was the influence of UTx that lead to the creation of the B12, and it is the actions of UTx which will lead to its demise.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 12:12 am to Mirthomatic
Every conference wanted Texas. The SEC settled for A&M. To be honest they would have chosen Oklahoma over A&M but OU wanted OSU to come with them. At the end of the day A&M was simply a business decision
Posted on 9/16/15 at 12:20 am to Mirthomatic
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Nebraska did pretty much the only thing they could do, faced with the uncertain future of the B12.
It was the influence of UTx that lead to the creation of the B12, and it is the actions of UTx which will lead to its demise.
No, it was TV networks that created the Big 12. The Big 8 couldn't get a viable TV deal in the early-90s because it's basically fly over country. So, in order to secure a much better TV contract, the Big 8 destroyed what was left of the SWC after Arkansas left.
If had been up to Texas, do you think we would have taken the political hit of leaving behind a Texas school (TCU, Rice, Houston, etc) to keep Iowa State? Not a chance.
Dollars drove realignment, it drove it with the Arkansas-South Carolina move in 1992, Penn State in 1993 and the Big 12 in 1996. Nothing more, nothing less.
Chicago Trib on Neb move:
ESPN's lowball offer triggered expansion
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Shapiro, an Iowa and Glenbrook South alumnus, called adding Nebraska a "genius" move: "You're taking one of the most storied institutions in the history of college football and plunking it into one of the best conferences. Iowa-Nebraska will become a rivalry overnight, and Michigan and Ohio State will play every year. It's a dream showcase."
Here are some articles why Missouri wanted Big 10:
Missouri and the Big 10
Missouri and the Big 10
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Aside from the communal sharing of funds, MU looks to benefit from Delaney's pet project, the Big Ten Network. Currently, the Big Ten receives 70 cents a month from each subscriber to the BTN within the conference's "footprint" (states with member schools. These states receive the BTN with basic cable subscriptions). Being in the footprint, the state of Missouri's 2.2 million homes would add approximately $18.5 to Big Ten coffers (assuming all these houses have basic cable) to distribute to the conference (2.2 mil X 12 months X 70 cents).
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The foremost athletic reason Missouri is interested — from the governor on down — is because Big Ten members currently get about $21 million per year in football revenue. MU got $9 million in football revenue from the Big 12 last year.
Notice that part about the Missouri Governor wanting to move to the Big 10?
I know that it hurts your Aggie belief that Texas destroyed the Big 12, but we didn't. The Big 10 did that and Missouri and Nebraska duked it out.
The only thing Texas could be considered guilt of doing was believing that A&M would be interested in a move to the Pac-10. Taking the Big 12 South to the Pac-10 would obviously have included A&M and considering the closeness of the two universities, Texas thought A&M would be interested.
Obviously, A&M wasn't interested and the Pac-10 wasn't interested in Baylor and the rest is history.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 12:34 am to Jagd Tiger
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bring back Dodds, the guy who along w/ his pet danBebe, did more to insure the B12 would fall apart than anyone.
“We’re going to have good years again,” Dodds promised. “Our bad years are not that bad. Take a school like Missouri. Our bad years are better than their good years. But we’ve created a standard.”
Posted on 9/16/15 at 12:45 am to TSipper
The Longhorn Network is the #1 reason the Big 12 split up, that's fact.
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Texas’ total income is approx $40 million with the Longhorn Network, and Oklahoma is over $30 million with its Tier 3 income
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 4:42 am to Herman Frisco
Saban to Texas
Urban Meyer to Bama(has fake heart attack)
Hugh Freeze to Ohio State
Bobby Petrino to Ole Miss
Charlie Strong back to Louisville
It's happening.
Urban Meyer to Bama(has fake heart attack)
Hugh Freeze to Ohio State
Bobby Petrino to Ole Miss
Charlie Strong back to Louisville
It's happening.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 6:31 am to Gatorbait2008
Dooley is in Dallas waiting in his job.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:54 am to TigerCruise
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The Longhorn Network is the #1 reason the Big 12 split up, that's fact.
The LHN wasn't signed until Spring 2011. By that point, Missouri had already pulled up her Big 10 panties and Nebraska had already assumed the position.
Much like A&M fans, Missouri wants to believe it was somebody else's fault (Texas) when in reality, the demise of the Big 12 was due almost entirely to the Big 10...and Missouri.
But hey, Missouri has shown a fascinating ability to win just as many titles in the SEC has they did in the Big 12. 0.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:10 am to TSipper
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The only thing Texas could be considered guilt of doing was believing that A&M would be interested in a move to the Pac-10. Taking the Big 12 South to the Pac-10 would obviously have included A&M and considering the closeness of the two universities, Texas thought A&M would be interested.
Which is insanely stupid. Why would A&M want to be the easternmost outpost and outcast of a PAC with which it would have no cultural similarities of affinity? Why would A&M want to always have to fly across the Rockies and doom itself to irrelevance by playing after the East Coast goes to sleep?
An 8th grade drop-out could have seen that A&M wouldn't be game for that deal.
I don't think UT's leadership thought we'd actually like it. I think they thought they could TELL US what to do. Once again, UT's downfall was its enormous hubris.
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:30 am to MC5601
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They are out to poach some top tier talent at the beginning of the year. Boosters are mobilizing.
If the boosters are mobilizing, this is a sure sign the folks in austin will remain in turmoil for the future. This guy hired Strong and Smart for the two primary college sports and they canned him because the boosters did not like the look of them. F*ck them, Bellmont will continue to burn if they fear a brother is running the place.
Strong > Brown
Smart > Barnes
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:24 am to TSipper
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No, it was TV networks that created the Big 12. The Big 8 couldn't get a viable TV deal in the early-90s because it's basically fly over country. So, in order to secure a much better TV contract, the Big 8 destroyed what was left of the SWC after Arkansas left.
If had been up to Texas, do you think we would have taken the political hit of leaving behind a Texas school (TCU, Rice, Houston, etc) to keep Iowa State? Not a chance.
Dollars drove realignment, it drove it with the Arkansas-South Carolina move in 1992, Penn State in 1993 and the Big 12 in 1996. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wrong.
Some of you horns love to pretend as if you're merely passengers along for the ride as fate dictates for you what you do as a program. That you're simply "forced" to do X because X makes the most money. This is wrong. You choose to do X because making the most money is your priority. That simply isn't the case with all athletic departments. If it were, UNC and Virginia would be SEC schools right now.
Here's the thing: UTx could get ZERO media dollars and STILL be one of the richest athletic departments on the planet. Even if the SWC were still around, UTx would be making bank. But UTx CHOOSE to leave. And don't act as if UTx was crying for leaving behind TCU/Rice/Houston/SMU. UTx would have left Baylor and Tech behind, too, if Bullock and co. hadn't forced them be brought along.
Now, I'm not mourning the SWC. A&M left of it's own volition, too. I would have preferred going to the SEC in the first place, but at that time a large contingent of us still wanted to be in the same league as the horns.
Fast forward to the B12. Let's say Mizzou leaves for the B1G. Does that destroy the B12? Nope, not at all. The B12 would have simply added another school to get back to 12, and then continued on. Nebraska only left because of rumblings that UTx was exploring options to bolt. Unlike the horns, the Huskers didn't have a lot of options for landing spots. So when faced with an existential crisis, they chose the stability of the B1G.
With the Huskers gone, the horns decided to stop pussyfooting around and pushed for the Pac10 move. A&M said "No thanks, you can go West, we will go East." The last thing the horns wanted was A&M in the SEC, so they scuttled the Pac10 deal. Meanwhile Colorado, seeing how dysfunctional the B12 was, and being worried that Baylor was once again trying to politic its way into the deal, displacing Colorado, the Buffs went ahead and joined the Pac.
So then the B12 carried on as a ten member league. And everything looked fine, until the next earthquake hit: the Longhorn Network. You couldn't just settle for having your own network and getting paid millions and millions more than any conference mate. No, you also had to attempt to obtain yet another institutional advantage in recruiting by having a longhorn branded network broadcast Texas HS football.
But even more concerning was this: UTx had displayed a wandering eye for some time, and now they had their own network, with language assigning ESPN all of UTx TV rights if they decided to go independent. It was clear now what UTx was doing: they wanted to be Notre Dame. They saw themselves as a "national brand", and were laying the groundwork to leave the conference to become an independent.
That was the last straw. For decades, A&M had wanted to be in the SEC, but passed up multiple opportunities to go, in part due to a desire to stay with UTx. Now it was apparent not only that UTx wasn't interested in competing on anything approaching a level playing field, but that they might not even be interested in competing as part of the same conference. So A&M finally said "Screw that, we're out. Best of luck to y'all, we're going to the SEC."
Now, none of what UTx did was WRONG, per se. UTx doesn't owe anything to any university. They can decide for themselves what are their goals and objectives. A ruthless pursuit of advantage is not immoral, imo. Just don't ruthlessly pursue your advantage and then later try to avoid accepting that your actions had consequences for others. UTx was largely responsible for the creation of the SWC and B12, and UTx will ultimately be responsible for their destruction, once they've served their purpose.
This is who you are. Own it.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:38 am to TSipper
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Because Dr. Tom took losing to Texas really, really hard.
B12 was smart in the 90's in forming to become the solid #2 conference in the country.
B12 was dumb roughly 2 decades later for letting internal issues allow the barbarians at the door (B1G and PAC) to weaken #2 to #5. Heck, the ACC is stronger now than the B12.
The of all this is politics and being collective dumbasses
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:46 am to Mirthomatic
Let's see, let me go ahead and get this started because this will become a Saban thread.
1. There will be a "connection" to whomever is going to be the interim AD with Saban. They met once at the Dallas airport and Saban told him he wanted to Texas job. This coming from a well connected booster BTW.
2. People who know really well connected Texas boosters have said Strong is out and Saban is in and it's a done deal.
3. The new AD has told a well connected booster that he will do what it takes to get Saban so he is prepared to offer 100 mill for 5 years, a mural painted of Saban on the tower and tariff rights to anything moving on the Brazos.
4. Terry has been sighted by numerous people house shopping with a well connected booster.
5. Always the best one- Austin has a lot to do because we all know that Saban secretly wants to coach in the place that has the best nightlife, college bars, because he is secretly only 20 years old due to an experimental surgery that UT has done on him and he's ready for some good Austin nightlife. The information comes from a well connected booster who paid for the surgery.
6. Saban told people around Baton Rouge that two jobs that he would take in a heartbeat are Texas and ND. A well connected booster has said that Texas never "really" offered 2 years ago but another well connected booster says THIS TIME it's for real.
1. There will be a "connection" to whomever is going to be the interim AD with Saban. They met once at the Dallas airport and Saban told him he wanted to Texas job. This coming from a well connected booster BTW.
2. People who know really well connected Texas boosters have said Strong is out and Saban is in and it's a done deal.
3. The new AD has told a well connected booster that he will do what it takes to get Saban so he is prepared to offer 100 mill for 5 years, a mural painted of Saban on the tower and tariff rights to anything moving on the Brazos.
4. Terry has been sighted by numerous people house shopping with a well connected booster.
5. Always the best one- Austin has a lot to do because we all know that Saban secretly wants to coach in the place that has the best nightlife, college bars, because he is secretly only 20 years old due to an experimental surgery that UT has done on him and he's ready for some good Austin nightlife. The information comes from a well connected booster who paid for the surgery.
6. Saban told people around Baton Rouge that two jobs that he would take in a heartbeat are Texas and ND. A well connected booster has said that Texas never "really" offered 2 years ago but another well connected booster says THIS TIME it's for real.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:47 am to TSipper
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The LHN wasn't signed until Spring 2011. By that point, Missouri had already pulled up her Big 10 panties and Nebraska had already assumed the position.
Much like A&M fans, Missouri wants to believe it was somebody else's fault (Texas) when in reality, the demise of the Big 12 was due almost entirely to the Big 10...and Missouri.
Directly from one of the higher ups in the Longhorn Network on June 3, 2011:
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In a revealing June 3rd interview with radio station KZNX 1530 AM located in Austin, ESPN's Vice President of Programming for the Longhorn Network Dave Brown sat down to discuss with the hosts the plan and vision for the network. Around the 14:20 minute mark of this audio, the host brings up with Dave the possibility of the network showing high school games. Dave answers by saying the network plans to show 18 high school games this coming fall of "kids that Texas has recruited and is recruiting", and some of those might be out of state in Arizona to show Longhorn commit Conner Brewer or another recruit or potential recruit if they are interested in Texas.
The bolded portion is a blatant NCAA violation which is why the NCAA stepped in and prevented your shitty network from using your UIL connections to violate recruiting bylaws.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 10:49 am
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