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re: Explain suspended for PEDs 1 year vs 1 game suspension for OVI
Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:26 am to boXerrumble
Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:26 am to boXerrumble
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boXerrumble
Don't sweat this stuff.
Support Treon. Grier and Mac gotta fight that other stuff, assuming it's worth fighting. Don't really know yet, perhaps Grier merits this. We'll see.
Perspective - McElwain is head coach, not Muschamp.
As for a DUI - Meyer ignored Harvin's issues, ignored Hernandez issues, and others. DUI means nothing to that dude.
Out of Meyer, Muschamp, McElwain - UF has the best coach of that trio, right now, no doubt.
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:31 am to sullivanct19a
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Out of Meyer, Muschamp, McElwain - UF has the best coach of that trio, right now, no doubt.
Mac is surely the better all around person compared to Urban but he's not the better coach. He may prove to be later but not yet. Muschamp doesn't warrant discussion. He was a bad HC -- almost as bad as Dooley.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:46 am to No Colors
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PEDs are a red line. They will -- quite simply -- destroy your health. Like serious heart, liver, kidney damage. These kids cannot be in a situation where it's even borderline if it's worth it to get caught. If it was only a one game suspension, steroids would be rampant and kids would feel pressure to cheat and endanger their future health.
The zero tolerance, one-year suspension is warranted. It's simple. Don't use them. They're 100x more harmful than weed or a few beers. It's not even comparable.
Are you nuts? PED's/steroids taken properly with the supervision of a doctor DOES NOT DESTROY YOUR HEALTH. Where are you getting that nonsense? 100x more harmful than weed or alcohol??? Get out of here with your witch hunt. Have you studied the subject? You might want to look at anti-aging and how it is improving thousands of people. You might want to talk to people who have been using steroids for 50 years with zero heart, liver, kidney damage that you speak of. My God, the ignorance.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:48 am to boXerrumble
quote:explain why every thread you start is idiotic
boXerrumble
Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:49 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Are you nuts? PED's/steroids taken properly with the supervision of a doctor DOES NOT DESTROY YOUR HEALTH. Where are you getting that nonsense? 100x more harmful than weed or alcohol??? Get out of here with your witch hunt. Have you studied the subject? You might want to look at anti-aging and how it is improving thousands of people. You might want to talk to people who have been using steroids for 50 years with zero heart, liver, kidney damage that you speak of. My God, the ignorance.
Pretty sure he's not talking about steroid use under a doctor's supervision.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:14 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Are you nuts? PED's/steroids taken properly with the supervision of a doctor DOES NOT DESTROY YOUR HEALTH. Where are you getting that nonsense? 100x more harmful than weed or alcohol??? Get out of here with your witch hunt. Have you studied the subject? You might want to look at anti-aging and how it is improving thousands of people. You might want to talk to people who have been using steroids for 50 years with zero heart, liver, kidney damage that you speak of. My God, the ignorance.
There is an absolute crap ton of evidence out there to support everything you just said. Some caveats for certain types of people and certain substances, of course.
What's funny is you can go to a health professions college and ask people about abusing stimulants and getting controlled substances through illegal means to help them study and it's viewed as acceptable, but let someone take andro to hit a baseball and they become the devil walking. There's a medical ethics guy that's written about this stuff. He's been pretty harsh about how perspectives are disproportionate and poorly founded.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:23 am to Prof
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Pretty sure he's not talking about steroid use under a doctor's supervision.
Then what the hell is he talking about? The only reason I added under a doctor's supervision is because obviously if you abuse anything it can be bad for your health. Ingest too much sugar and it can kill you, mess up your liver, kidneys, etc., etc.
His premise is that all performance enhancing drugs are bad and that they will eventually damage your health. That is simply incorrect. Thousands of guys take Viagra every day with no long term effects. Many guys have testosterone supplements as well. Hell caffeine is a HUGE PED. Plenty of research is out there on the effect of caffeine on performance. Triathletes have been able to improve their times by 3% using caffeine, same for cyclist. You ever wonder why the NCAA still limits caffeine while the anti doping agency dropped it off the list?
There is plenty of data on the effectiveness of PEDs. You won't find any date on them killing people. The government went after steroids like they went after marijuana in the 1930's by instilling fear.
There are inherent risks in doing anything (crossing the street). Taking supplements, stimulants, diuretics, creatine, anabolic steroids, designer steroids, andro, human growth, erythropoietin, etc., etc., all carry risk, especially if abused or taken improperly. But to say they will kill you or damage your health is disingenuous.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:37 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
I am all for fair competition in sports. I'm not trying to go there. But, What makes no sense to me is the notion that if something is KNOWN to help you that it should somehow be viewed as evil or wrong. If a drug can help you recover, why wouldn't/ shouldn't you be able to use it? Why is HGH viewed horribly but a cortisone shot to reduce swelling in your knee or back is okay? If a drug can help you focus better, what is the problem? Why would anyone refuse taking Novocaine at the dentist? We need more research and education so that people are well informed. 50 years from now that generation is going to look at our generation as being in the stone age on living longer, healthier, productive lives, etc.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:51 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
Seemed pretty clear he was talking about athletes abusing PEDs for competitive advantage. And in those situations we're not talking about legitimate supervised usage or even 'smart' usage by Joe Shmoe whose interested in taking a chemical shortcut for vanity's sake and who has researched what he's ingesting but rather athletes that are under tremendous pressure to perform ingesting illegal and illicit substances without much knowledge of what they can do or regard for suggested medical levels and yes, that's dangerous, especially at the HS and Collegiate level.
It's not at all disingenuous to say that you can severely damage your body or even kill yourself taking such things because you can. People under no pressure to perform at all can and do ruin their internal organs and die misusing or abusing these substances. It's not the most heinous crime in the world but it is dangerous. Just how dangerous varies due to a great number of circumstances including but not limited to the health and genetics of the individual as well as what and how much is consumed.
It's not at all disingenuous to say that you can severely damage your body or even kill yourself taking such things because you can. People under no pressure to perform at all can and do ruin their internal organs and die misusing or abusing these substances. It's not the most heinous crime in the world but it is dangerous. Just how dangerous varies due to a great number of circumstances including but not limited to the health and genetics of the individual as well as what and how much is consumed.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 2:02 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I am all for fair competition in sports. I'm not trying to go there. But, What makes no sense to me is the notion that if something is KNOWN to help you that it should somehow be viewed as evil or wrong. If a drug can help you recover, why wouldn't/ shouldn't you be able to use it? Why is HGH viewed horribly but a cortisone shot to reduce swelling in your knee or back is okay? If a drug can help you focus better, what is the problem? Why would anyone refuse taking Novocaine at the dentist? We need more research and education so that people are well informed. 50 years from now that generation is going to look at our generation as being in the stone age on living longer, healthier, productive lives, etc.
As for that particular side of things (rather than the sports side of things)... America doesn't like anything that makes you feel too good. We just don't. You'd think the entire country had been under Puritan rule instead of just New England.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 3:18 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Thousands of guys take Viagra every day with no long term effects
No longer term effects for daily use? Who the frick takes this daily, and under 20 years on the market makes it pretty hard to claim no long term effects.
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Many guys have testosterone supplements as well.
And I'm pretty sure there is a class action lawsuit out there for testosterone replacement. Caused all sort of health issues. I'm beginning to suspect you aren't a Dr or pharmacologist.
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