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re: Every Major Program in the College Football scene cheats.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 11:55 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 7/25/12 at 11:55 pm to lsufball19
The only reason the 80's cheat a thon isnt still raging is the internet. People like us can make something into NEWS in about 20 seconds. The days of bear bryant or some other SEC coach calling up the dean of students and the chief of police in the local college town and "making it go away" are over. Recruiting is a sport all its own. Back in the day, alums went to HS games and recruited and passed the names of the good players to the asst coaches.
My uncle and great uncle both did this in Georgia and North Carolina (on behalf of UGA) under Dooley back in the 70's. That was how it was done and allowed to be done. If a kid needed a ride from practice or a decent meal this was thought of as normal human decency.
My great uncle was enough of an influence that Vince Dooley was a pallbearer at his funeral.
My uncle and great uncle both did this in Georgia and North Carolina (on behalf of UGA) under Dooley back in the 70's. That was how it was done and allowed to be done. If a kid needed a ride from practice or a decent meal this was thought of as normal human decency.
My great uncle was enough of an influence that Vince Dooley was a pallbearer at his funeral.
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Posted on 7/25/12 at 11:57 pm to lsufball19
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the state of texas has so many high rated players, and texas is THE flagship school in the state. i highly doubt they need to be dirtier than the next guy to fill up a class full of 4 and 5 star players. i'm sure they cheat to an extent, but i don't think they're as dirty as you think they are as an a&m fan. the 80s "cheat-a-thon" was 30 years ago.
I don't think they straight up pay for recruits anymore. Back in the 80's everyone did because EVERYONE did, and if you didn't you had zero chance of winning. The extent of their cheating now extends most likely to academic fraud for both recruits and current players, taking care of their current players (Vince Young drove an Escalade and it's really not a secret that most of their players get hooked up with cars), and getting recruits laid/taken care of when they visit (ask Cleve Bryant about that).
Posted on 7/25/12 at 11:59 pm to StrickAggie06
Errbody cheats. The Team that gets caught is the one we laugh at. College Football brings, in too much money. Teams that can afford it do. Simple fact
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Posted on 7/26/12 at 3:08 am to LSUNV
I don't know if everyone cheats but I know my rivals do. 
Posted on 7/26/12 at 3:12 am to Smoke Ring
Posted on 7/26/12 at 3:32 am to StrickAggie06
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getting recruits laid/taken care of when they visit (ask Cleve Bryant about that)
Dude, everyone knows about the womenz romancing each other
Posted on 7/26/12 at 3:50 am to MikeTheTiger2893
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Every Major Program in the College Football scene cheats.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 3:56 am to MikeTheTiger2893
Which SEC football programs are currently on probation? I know LSU is one, are USC and UT also? anymore programs?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 4:02 am to bona fide
Hell, I think UA was on probation for about 2 decades straight weren't they?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:06 am to MikeTheTiger2893
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Every Major Program in the College Football scene cheats.
Pat Dye Quote- I do not know of any succesful program that is lily white.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 5:37 am to reel_gator8
This is what gets me. A school will be implicated (not implemented) or caught for giving a recruit a few thousand dollars or a car. They're bought so cheap.
Here's a question. Can a high school grad go straight to the Canadian Football League on a 2-3 year contract where they could draw a real paycheck?
Here's a question. Can a high school grad go straight to the Canadian Football League on a 2-3 year contract where they could draw a real paycheck?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:30 am to mauser
UGA not involved in hanky panky? Please child. Lets not confuse mediocre football results with superior talent as an indication that no wayward policies exist.
Ga. has continually had top ten type recruiting classes for years (and no national titles since 1980)....sure...sure Ga has some great talent instate but there are a lot of rivals lurking at every corner...Bama, AU, UT, SC, UF, Ga Tech (only if they have pocket protector and wear ties), and of course a few larger schools up north like Neuter Dame.
Fla has talent galore and a bunch of thieves trying to steal them...but UF is the flagship school and Gator lic plates outnumber the neartest rival girls school by about ten to one.
What do schools do to pry kids away from instate? Anything and everything folks....hot girls woo them, promises of future connections with wealthy alumni, you name it. Car dealerships with wink wink sweetheart deals...etc etc The worse offender is the Univ of New Jawsey @ Coral Gables as witnessed by the Shapiro corruption which ran to the top.
Ga. has continually had top ten type recruiting classes for years (and no national titles since 1980)....sure...sure Ga has some great talent instate but there are a lot of rivals lurking at every corner...Bama, AU, UT, SC, UF, Ga Tech (only if they have pocket protector and wear ties), and of course a few larger schools up north like Neuter Dame.
Fla has talent galore and a bunch of thieves trying to steal them...but UF is the flagship school and Gator lic plates outnumber the neartest rival girls school by about ten to one.
What do schools do to pry kids away from instate? Anything and everything folks....hot girls woo them, promises of future connections with wealthy alumni, you name it. Car dealerships with wink wink sweetheart deals...etc etc The worse offender is the Univ of New Jawsey @ Coral Gables as witnessed by the Shapiro corruption which ran to the top.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 6:32 am to MikeTheTiger2893
When I played college sports we were handed envelops with cash in it all the time. Happens everywhere.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 7:54 am to reel_gator8
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Ga. has continually had top ten type recruiting classes for years (and no national titles since 1980)....sure...sure Ga has some great talent instate but there are a lot of rivals lurking at every corner...Bama, AU, UT, SC, UF, Ga Tech (only if they have pocket protector and wear ties), and of course a few larger schools up north like Neuter Dame.
Fla has talent galore and a bunch of thieves trying to steal them...but UF is the flagship school and Gator lic plates outnumber the neartest rival girls school by about ten to one.
Wow, so GA must cheat to get good recruiting classes because there are lots of local rivals, but Florida (who typically has higher ranked classes) doesn't because, even though everyone is trying to steal the instate talent, they're the "flagship" university of FL?
I'm not really saying you're a hypocrite, but I can't think of any way to end this sentence.
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Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:01 am to Shawn Spencer
You have to first define cheating which is very very difficult to do. You need a network of people. In Alabama most jobs are controlled by either Auburn or Alabama supporters who may can "wink, wink" help you get that promotion, etc.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:15 am to allin2010
We don't have anyone from Brenham? Go recheck that, especially from 2 recruiting classes ago. He grew up elsewhere, finished up at Brenham.
Texas bought Malcom Brown (Brenham) and Jon Gray. TCU tried so hard to match the Horns bid for Gray, but they couldn't.
Orangeblood... Frank Neihuis (not sure I spelled that right) was an admitted payer of players in the 80s. He's bragged out right about it.
Texas bought Malcom Brown (Brenham) and Jon Gray. TCU tried so hard to match the Horns bid for Gray, but they couldn't.
Orangeblood... Frank Neihuis (not sure I spelled that right) was an admitted payer of players in the 80s. He's bragged out right about it.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:33 am to Ball Gravy
I have no doubt players from every SWC (maybe not Rice) were making some cash in the 80s. And I agree in the general premise that the "100 dollar handshake" etc is going on at every single school now too. That, to me, is a different level of "cheating" than the "street agent" type game, especially if assistants are involved. But since you seem to know the exact names of Longhorn players that were bought, by all means, tell us the details.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 8:44 am to OrangeBlood
What is there to tell? There were channels people went through to get cash to handlers. I'm not crucifying you OrangeBlood (or Texas for that matter). I wish we would have played the game better for those two.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 9:11 am to Ball Gravy
This thread has been highly entertaining. I agree with the premise that almost all teams cheat to some degree or another - especially if you define cheating loosely as living in the gray.
I agree that $100 handshakes go on everywhere. Smart programs make sure the HC is shielded with a high degree of plausible deniability of knowledge. Smart programs make absolutely certain that there is a very small number of people involved and/or with knowlege of the rule skirting. This is why it always kills me to see people attribute Bama's success to the REC. There may be members of the REC who are in the small network of individuals trusted with certain tasks, but the REC as a whole - with it's thousands of members - does not handle some organized network of recruiting activity.
Also, almost every staff has a "bagman". This is the guy on staff who does the dirty work while keeping others clean. This guy may have a hand in 2-3 recruits a year, but it doesn't mean that every highly rated kid that goes to a program did so because he was given something. It happens, but the $100 handshakes and jobs for family members are waaaay more common.
I agree that $100 handshakes go on everywhere. Smart programs make sure the HC is shielded with a high degree of plausible deniability of knowledge. Smart programs make absolutely certain that there is a very small number of people involved and/or with knowlege of the rule skirting. This is why it always kills me to see people attribute Bama's success to the REC. There may be members of the REC who are in the small network of individuals trusted with certain tasks, but the REC as a whole - with it's thousands of members - does not handle some organized network of recruiting activity.
Also, almost every staff has a "bagman". This is the guy on staff who does the dirty work while keeping others clean. This guy may have a hand in 2-3 recruits a year, but it doesn't mean that every highly rated kid that goes to a program did so because he was given something. It happens, but the $100 handshakes and jobs for family members are waaaay more common.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 9:13 am to bamasgot13
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bamasgot13
Just admit it, you're the bagman.
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