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Posted on 4/7/13 at 9:29 am to AUtigerNOLA
Very true, mods even made threats about rumor threads...oh well, so much for fair and balanced moderating.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 10:30 am to allin2010
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:05 am to Beer Bryant
For anyone that cares about facts....
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Documents support Jay Jacobs' response to ESPN story on synthetic marijuana use
By Joel A. Erickson | jerickson@al.com
April 05, 2013 at 7:00 PM, updated April 05, 2013 at 10:30 PM
AUBURN, Alabama -- Auburn's athletic administration and coaching staff could not have legally informed parents about failed tests for synthetic marijuana before the drug was banned, according to documents obtained by AL.com through an open records search.
Auburn informed the student-athletes of each positive test for synthetic marijuana (sometimes called spice), offered counseling to each of the athletes involved and told athletes that the substance would likely be on the school's banned list in the future, said Cassie Arner, Auburn's assistant director for public relations.
A six-month investigation by ESPN The Magazine and E:60 released in short form Thursday afternoon and in the full magazine version Thursday night contended that "the highest-ranking members of the athletic department made a specific choice not to talk about spice."
Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs responded by telling ESPN that school officials could not reveal failed drug tests to players' parents because it was not on the school's banned substances list, an assertion supported by the documents.
After ESPN released the short version of the story on Thursday night, Jacobs fired back with a statement and an open letter to the "Auburn family."
"After a thorough internal review, the Auburn Athletics Department believes many of the allegations made by the individuals interviewed for this story are baseless and inaccurate," Jacobs said in a statement.
Because most Auburn student-athletes are older than 18, Auburn's athletes sign a drug testing waiver policy before competition.
Auburn student-athletes "consent to be tested for the presence of banned substances" when they sign the waiver – Auburn released a copy of the waiver to AL.com on Friday -- providing for the release of failed tests to parents upon the receipt of a specific request.
But when Auburn began testing for synthetic marijuana on Jan. 27, 2011, the drug was not banned by Auburn, the NCAA or the state of Alabama. Because the drug was not banned by Auburn, synthetic marijuana was not covered under Auburn's drug testing waiver policy.
The ESPN article points out that possession of the drug had been outlawed in July of 2010, but the drug was still readily available. Synthetic marijuana could still be bought at stores until Gov. Robert Bentley issued an executive order on Oct. 14, 2011, banning stores from selling the product.
An anecdote from the ESPN article makes this clear, writing that Harrison Mosley, the father of former Auburn football player Dakota Mosley, bought spice over-the-counter and smoked it in late Oct. 2010.
After the drug was outlawed, Auburn asked its testing company, Aegis Sciences Corporation, if there was a test available. Aegis did not have one yet, according to Jacobs' statement on Thursday and corroborated by the ESPN article.
Before Auburn implemented penalties for the drug, the school tried to educate athletes, according to Jacobs.
AL.com obtained a copy of a letter circulated to athletes by Joe Joe Petrone dated July 17, 2010, informing athletes of the state of Alabama's law that banned possession, outlining the state's penalties and warning athletes that synthetic marijuana is "often sold over the internet and in herbal stores." ESPN's story also outlines meetings led by former Auburn coach Gene Chizik to educate coaches and players about the drug.
After testing was implemented, athletes were offered counseling – because it was not banned, counseling sessions could not be mandatory – although several athletes skipped those sessions, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. Mosley admitted to ESPN that he skipped a session set up by Malzahn after a meeting that Malzahn says centered around depression.
ESPN's original story indicated that Auburn did not communicate with the parents of Mosley and Kitchens, an assertion Jacobs disputed in his open letter and backed up by phone records released to AL.com Friday. Thirty calls were made from Auburn's coaching staff to Kimberly Harkness between May 1, 2010 and March 22, 2011, and more than 100 calls from Auburn's coaching staff to Harrison Mosley between May 1, 2010 and May 31, 2011.
Aegis developed a test for synthetic marijuana – helped by urine samples provided by Auburn, according to Jacobs – on Jan. 24, 2011. Three days later, Auburn began testing for synthetic marijuana in order to evaluate how many athletes were using the drug, Arner said. According to ESPN's story, 12 players failed tests after Auburn began initial tests.
The original test provided by Aegis did not measure levels of synthetic marijuana from test to test, Arner said. All the test measured was a positive or a negative. If an athlete failed the first test and continued to be tested, he could have tested positive again in subsequent tests without smoking synthetic marijuana again.
Auburn's drug policy – obtained by AL.com in an open records request Friday – states that Auburn athletes are "prohibited from the use of any drug substance banned by the NCAA."
The ESPN article asserts that Auburn's policy could have invoked a clause that includes "related substances," but Auburn's athletic department is not in charge of substances on the school's banned list.
That responsibility falls to the Auburn Drug Testing/Drug Education Advisory Committee, which recommended that synthetic marijuana be added to the Auburn athletics drug policy's list of banned substances on March 14, 2011. Penalties were not implemented until the start of the next academic year on Aug. 1, 2011 – a start date similar to AU's brethren in the SEC.
After penalties were implemented, Jacobs said on Thursday, three athletes have tested positive for synthetic marijuana out of 2,500 tests. None of those athletes still compete for Auburn.
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Documents support Jay Jacobs' response to ESPN story on synthetic marijuana use
By Joel A. Erickson | jerickson@al.com
April 05, 2013 at 7:00 PM, updated April 05, 2013 at 10:30 PM
AUBURN, Alabama -- Auburn's athletic administration and coaching staff could not have legally informed parents about failed tests for synthetic marijuana before the drug was banned, according to documents obtained by AL.com through an open records search.
Auburn informed the student-athletes of each positive test for synthetic marijuana (sometimes called spice), offered counseling to each of the athletes involved and told athletes that the substance would likely be on the school's banned list in the future, said Cassie Arner, Auburn's assistant director for public relations.
A six-month investigation by ESPN The Magazine and E:60 released in short form Thursday afternoon and in the full magazine version Thursday night contended that "the highest-ranking members of the athletic department made a specific choice not to talk about spice."
Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs responded by telling ESPN that school officials could not reveal failed drug tests to players' parents because it was not on the school's banned substances list, an assertion supported by the documents.
After ESPN released the short version of the story on Thursday night, Jacobs fired back with a statement and an open letter to the "Auburn family."
"After a thorough internal review, the Auburn Athletics Department believes many of the allegations made by the individuals interviewed for this story are baseless and inaccurate," Jacobs said in a statement.
Because most Auburn student-athletes are older than 18, Auburn's athletes sign a drug testing waiver policy before competition.
Auburn student-athletes "consent to be tested for the presence of banned substances" when they sign the waiver – Auburn released a copy of the waiver to AL.com on Friday -- providing for the release of failed tests to parents upon the receipt of a specific request.
But when Auburn began testing for synthetic marijuana on Jan. 27, 2011, the drug was not banned by Auburn, the NCAA or the state of Alabama. Because the drug was not banned by Auburn, synthetic marijuana was not covered under Auburn's drug testing waiver policy.
The ESPN article points out that possession of the drug had been outlawed in July of 2010, but the drug was still readily available. Synthetic marijuana could still be bought at stores until Gov. Robert Bentley issued an executive order on Oct. 14, 2011, banning stores from selling the product.
An anecdote from the ESPN article makes this clear, writing that Harrison Mosley, the father of former Auburn football player Dakota Mosley, bought spice over-the-counter and smoked it in late Oct. 2010.
After the drug was outlawed, Auburn asked its testing company, Aegis Sciences Corporation, if there was a test available. Aegis did not have one yet, according to Jacobs' statement on Thursday and corroborated by the ESPN article.
Before Auburn implemented penalties for the drug, the school tried to educate athletes, according to Jacobs.
AL.com obtained a copy of a letter circulated to athletes by Joe Joe Petrone dated July 17, 2010, informing athletes of the state of Alabama's law that banned possession, outlining the state's penalties and warning athletes that synthetic marijuana is "often sold over the internet and in herbal stores." ESPN's story also outlines meetings led by former Auburn coach Gene Chizik to educate coaches and players about the drug.
After testing was implemented, athletes were offered counseling – because it was not banned, counseling sessions could not be mandatory – although several athletes skipped those sessions, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. Mosley admitted to ESPN that he skipped a session set up by Malzahn after a meeting that Malzahn says centered around depression.
ESPN's original story indicated that Auburn did not communicate with the parents of Mosley and Kitchens, an assertion Jacobs disputed in his open letter and backed up by phone records released to AL.com Friday. Thirty calls were made from Auburn's coaching staff to Kimberly Harkness between May 1, 2010 and March 22, 2011, and more than 100 calls from Auburn's coaching staff to Harrison Mosley between May 1, 2010 and May 31, 2011.
Aegis developed a test for synthetic marijuana – helped by urine samples provided by Auburn, according to Jacobs – on Jan. 24, 2011. Three days later, Auburn began testing for synthetic marijuana in order to evaluate how many athletes were using the drug, Arner said. According to ESPN's story, 12 players failed tests after Auburn began initial tests.
The original test provided by Aegis did not measure levels of synthetic marijuana from test to test, Arner said. All the test measured was a positive or a negative. If an athlete failed the first test and continued to be tested, he could have tested positive again in subsequent tests without smoking synthetic marijuana again.
Auburn's drug policy – obtained by AL.com in an open records request Friday – states that Auburn athletes are "prohibited from the use of any drug substance banned by the NCAA."
The ESPN article asserts that Auburn's policy could have invoked a clause that includes "related substances," but Auburn's athletic department is not in charge of substances on the school's banned list.
That responsibility falls to the Auburn Drug Testing/Drug Education Advisory Committee, which recommended that synthetic marijuana be added to the Auburn athletics drug policy's list of banned substances on March 14, 2011. Penalties were not implemented until the start of the next academic year on Aug. 1, 2011 – a start date similar to AU's brethren in the SEC.
After penalties were implemented, Jacobs said on Thursday, three athletes have tested positive for synthetic marijuana out of 2,500 tests. None of those athletes still compete for Auburn.
This post was edited on 4/7/13 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:10 am to nc14
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Very true, mods even made threats about rumor threads...oh well, so much for fair and balanced moderating.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:24 am to nc14
Prepare for the axe
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:26 am to nc14
Is it a rumor when your own players are spreading it?
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:29 am to crimsonian
It is an unfounded allegation with nothing to back it up. So it is more than a rumor maybe, but still baseless at this point. The only documented evidence is being provided by Auburn contradicting what has been alleged. .
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:31 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
The denying of paying players is not proven either.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:40 am to achamb7
I believe "ex post facto" applies here.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 11:50 am to achamb7
I want to see auburn fail as much as anyone else but ESPN is the "team America" of sports thinking they have to police everything. frick ESPN.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:32 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Considering my mom is dead, I think I could prove you wrong.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:37 pm to crimsonian
Never gave a timeline, how am I wrong? What proof do you have?
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:39 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
None. Can't be proven either way, which was my point. You said they had facts.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:44 pm to crimsonian
How do you prove if something didn't happen?... You can't. The burden should lie with the accuser, in this case something more than the words of a soon to be felon.
But please, sheep... Keep believing.
But please, sheep... Keep believing.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:45 pm to crimsonian
Also, I heard you and four of your friends sucked your dads dick. A couple of your friends told me they didn't do it. Guess we all should believe them.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:46 pm to lowspark12
Pretty sure it wasn't just the soon to be felon saying it.
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:51 pm to crimsonian
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Auburn Athletics began testing for synthetic marijuana three days after our testing company made a test available. A test became available on Jan. 24, 2011, and Auburn added the test to its panel on Jan. 27, 2011.
Since our drug testing policy was amended to include synthetic marijuana as a banned substance, there have been three positive tests for the drug out of more than 2,500 drug tests administered. Those three individuals are no longer on Auburn Athletics rosters.
As soon as our Director of Sports Medicine was aware that synthetic marijuana was a drug readily available in convenience stores in the fall of 2010, Auburn Athletics contacted our drug testing company to inquire about whether they had a test for synthetic marijuana and when one would be made available. They did not have a test at the time.
At the same time, our Director of Sports Medicine began education efforts aimed at our coaches and student-athletes.
Auburn Athletics provided urine samples to the drug testing company to assist them in their efforts to develop a test.
The Director of Sports Medicine and former Coach Gene Chizik both addressed the football team about the dangers of synthetic marijuana at multiple team meetings in the Fall of 2010, before a test was available. A story about the drug was placed on the locker of every football player on the team.
Within the first few months of testing, 3 percent of our student-athletes tested positive for synthetic marijuana.
Phone records show that more than 50 phone calls were made to the parents of two former student-athletes who were interviewed by ESPN.
The father of one of the student-athletes who was apparently interviewed by ESPN was sent a letter informing him that his son had failed a drug test for regular marijuana two months before the robbery.
The Auburn Drug Testing/Drug Education Advisory Committee recommended to the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics that synthetic marijuana be added to the Auburn Athletics drug testing policy on March 14, 2011. The policy change was adopted that day.
Penalties for the use of synthetic marijuana were put into place for the next academic year beginning in August of 2011. Since it became a banned substance under the drug testing policy, only three student-athletes have tested positive for synthetic marijuana out of more than 2,500 tests administered.
All facts that can be backed up with documentation. This has been posted many times now. Why do you insist there is no proof to dispel the allegations, rumors, lies?
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:52 pm to crimsonian
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Also, I heard you and four of your friends sucked your dads dick. A couple of your friends told me they didn't do it. Guess we all should believe them.
Why did you post this to yourself? Hmmmmm
Posted on 4/7/13 at 12:52 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
This also doesn't have to do with paying players.
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